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Post by Silver on Oct 23, 2021 16:15:06 GMT 1
Caraway Its flavor has a nutty, bittersweet sharpness with a hint of citrus, pepper, and anise. Mine must be worn out from age. Either that, or it's me (or at least my taste buds) that's worn out from age. Or it could be a bit of both.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Oct 23, 2021 16:26:57 GMT 1
Caraway does loose its kick in time yes
with older spices WHICH 99% of everyone has you cannot use the recipe amounts and think you will get the same flavor profile as a Fresh Spice.
THIS is ALSO one reason why I tell everyone to increase there Herb and Spice Amounts and throw the 26OZ out the window.
1930's Spices were 20% more potent then the stuff we have in our Pantries and the Spices Grown are more commercial grown and fast passed production.
In 1930's the Farmers ONLY picked the ripe aged Herbs and Spices then went back again and again to harvest the whole patch for Mature Herb and Spice.
We mass harvest the whole crops now in 1 pass mature and semi mature plants are MIXED and dried. if you have 25% semi mature Plants it takes that overall consistency down by what ever % was semi mature, its all Bottled and sold for Economics NOT quality.
The 1930's they rejected Tons of spices as PURE Spice and it had to be used in the Blended spices Like, Chili, Poultry, Italian Seasoning, ETC ETC.
BUT the 1930 Spices were still all higher quality then 2021. Unless you harvest your own
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Post by Silver on Oct 23, 2021 17:23:10 GMT 1
I just read where Fennel and Cumin seeds have characteristics similar to Caraway seeds.
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Post by Silver on Oct 23, 2021 17:24:57 GMT 1
It seems that a mix of Cumin and a bit of Fennel may come close to Caraway in flavor.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Oct 23, 2021 18:07:27 GMT 1
yes they can achieve similar taste
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Post by Silver on Oct 30, 2021 14:23:57 GMT 1
deepfriednew101 (and others), I take from this threads discussion on the original 11 H&S (as to 'what's in' and 'what's out') that Tarragon was not very likely at all to be "in" the original 11. Should I consider replacing Tarragon with Caraway Seed, which does appear to be "in" the original 11? And ditto for Orange Zest. Should I replace Orange Zest with mace (or nutmeg)?
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Post by Silver on Oct 30, 2021 14:36:16 GMT 1
With the two above mentioned changes applied, my 'Kitchen Sink' recipe would look like this:
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Oct 30, 2021 15:39:01 GMT 1
I would suggest whole nutmeg plain on a micro-plain grater or ground pulsed. WHY whole - It contains both Nutmeg and Mace, alternatively if you have Nutmeg and Mace, use it 50/50 as if you were using a whole nutmeg. remember the 1930's spice was refined much different then the 1930's. The 1930's where a more powerful spice then the 2021 spice.
caraway seed has and was a Mustard replacement item a mustard seeds substitution. The Caraway seeds quickly provide a flavor similar to mustard when heated, warmed, but has a aroma much different then Mustard. Caraway was used Very extensive in Butcher's for sausage and was used by many in Stuffing the stuffing aspect came more originally from Day old Rye Bread that was used in the stuffing as the Bakery used the Caraway in Rye and sourdough bread and cakes etc. When you research the KFC and as Far back as any allergen was wrote and mandatory on list for allergy from the FDA. As for a more common pantry item it appears that caraway seed was more common in the General Store and from a medicinal pharmacy Mustard was used by many for healing mustard packs.
caraway was always suggested as a 1 - 1 replaced for Mustard seed.
Most recipes suggest do not be light with the caraway seed and not uncommon for a 2 teaspoon of caraway seed to a 1 or 2 cup of flour. when it was used with and in conjunction with other spices caraway was 2 teaspoons and other spices were only 1 teaspoon ?
what I have done for decades is collect Old Spice Tins for decorative wall features in restaurant's. over a 4 decades have noticed what are hard to find and what are easy to find. The same answer was always given and it dictated the price paid for a Vintage Spice Tin the harder they were to find meant it was a less used item or a more regional sold item. The other note was much confusion arises between Mustard and Mustard Seed. Everyone goes to the Mustard powder when they think of mustards first which in the 1930 was Coleman's, Keen's, Rawleigh's brand and usually only the Coleman's and Keen's more. while Mustard Seed was packaged by also all packaging spice companies.
These have been my person findings of Caraway Seed over Mustard Seed or Mustard Powder.
THE OTHER KEY point that I appear to be a broke record over is the amount of spice used is to low.
the 1930's was WAY WAY more pure then any spice on the current 2021 Market.
Bill S from Marion Kay even said it when he re-made CHS Original 11 Herb's and Spice's on request from CHS. Bill S commented to many when asked the spices were more Powerful when CHS made it in the 1930's and there were many items the KFC New age cut corners on using I will be fair to KFC New Age Corporation in one are some of the changes were NOT all Money saving decisions it was due to Trade shortages and unavailable spices in some years, which very few speak about.
a Spice shortage typically does NOT affect a home user as many people have the same Spice Tin for 5 to 6 years. So they would never notice a shortage of Spice on a store shelf. BUT a major consumer like Campbell's, Proctor and Gamble, KFC spend Millions and Millions or Billions on What to do and have places develop extracts ETC.
IF in 2021 and using 2021 Spices unless you are growing your Own Spices and Dehydrating them ETC. to replicate what once was to a standard of a 1905"s Law of Spices YOU NEED to increase the Spice by more then 30% from 1930's
If the Chickens changed from a 2.5Lbs. to 4Lbs item and other items all changed from the 1930's Butchers and Bakers ALL changed there recipes to accommodate the quality drop.
Please Add your point regarding the 1930's Spices compared to 2021 in the spice comparison Thread
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Post by flg on Oct 30, 2021 15:42:41 GMT 1
For me at this point I'm not close to thinking caraway seeds were in the chicken. I think I read somewhere it was in the coleslaw which makes sense and same with tarragon or tarragon based vinegar.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Oct 30, 2021 16:08:01 GMT 1
Old Cooks and Old Bakers Butcher's have a habit which does NOT change world wide. They have Go To spices, spices from the wheel house and the pantry, Time tested things they think Must be used because our MOTHER's and Grandmother's used them and they are FAMILY secret's and DO NOT screw with Family tradition. Spice were a VERY precious item to purchase in the 1930's they may have ONLY been 10 cents or 15 cents a Tin. but money was hard to make and when you had a spice YOU used it usually because you did NOT have a million items to pick from and Amazon at your finger tips. Chances are if it was used in other item's they continued to used them in other items. Just my Spice for the Day thought. compare CHS and Claudia's kitchen to the NEW AGE KFC shown on CMT Todd W. recreating KFC challenge
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