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Post by Deep Taste on May 9, 2022 20:12:58 GMT 1
Its my belief, that the 11 different herbs and spices Colonel Sanders combined as his secret seasoning, all of them are still in use in today's KFC whenever they states 'Colonel Sanders Original Recipe'.
But that the ratios and qualities of those different spices have been changed in time, maybe even dramatically.
My only issue is: Celery and Mustard.
Both of those great spices are not among the big 8 allergens that must be declared in any food containing them, according to the law in USA, Canada, and Australia, so if any of them is in the original recipe, they have no problem keep using them in those countries, Mustard and Celery are not expensive spices, and they go realy well with chicken.
It is not the case though in Europe, Celery and Mustard are among the important allergens that have to be declared.
Could it be possible for the corporation to remove a spice or 2 from the original recipe and replace them with different spices, and still be allowed legally to call it Colonel Sanders Original Recipes?! I have hard time accepting this.
The Amazing KFC Aroma will vary, sometimes when I am around it jumps out suddenly on me, and I look to see a KFC at the end of the street, the same old Aroma I grow up remembering, the one and only KFC Aroma. It is still there somewhere.
Even today and in the same country, not all KFC outlets are the same, one has to find the right place, sometimes they really do their job very good.
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Post by maceme on May 9, 2022 20:30:20 GMT 1
Its my belief, that the 11 different herbs and spices Colonel Sanders combined as his secret seasoning, all of them are still in use in today's KFC whenever they states 'Colonel Sanders Original Recipe'. But that the ratios and qualities of those different spices have been changed in time, maybe even dramatically. My only issue is: Celery and Mustard. Both of those great spices are not among the big 8 allergens that must be declared in any food containing them, according to the law in USA, Canada, and Australia, so if any of them is in the original recipe, they have no problem keep using them in those countries, Mustard and Celery are not expensive spices, and they go realy well with chicken. It is not the case though in Europe, Celery and Mustard are among the important allergens that have to be declared. Could it be possible for the corporation to remove a spice or 2 from the original recipe and replace them with different spices, and still be allowed legally to call it Colonel Sanders Original Recipes?! I have hard time accepting this. The Amazing KFC Aroma will vary, sometimes when I am around it jumps out suddenly on me, and I look to see a KFC at the end of the street, the same old Aroma I grow up remembering, the one and only KFC Aroma. It is still there somewhere. Even today and in the same country, not all KFC outlets are the same, one has to find the right place, sometimes they really do their job very good. DT I have looked at this somewhat. The USA product ingredients says Colonel Sanders secret seasoning or similar words, Canada which now has mustard as an allergen, now says spices. Every other country with celery or mustard allergen reporting except for Spain (KFC.es) I have looked at has changed to using spices as an ingredient, or reports only ancillary use. Spain reports them as ingredients. International ingredients are often difficult to get. Sometimes the product is called IMOR, which I suspect is International Menu Original Recipe, which is, again, just a name. The current Canada product name, which is a just a registered trademark, of Original Recipe does not have any bearing on whether it is actually using the actual “original” OR spices, as far as I can tell. |
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Post by Deep Taste on May 9, 2022 20:52:25 GMT 1
But using the phrase 'Original Recipe' with Colonel Sanders Face, without really using the original Original Recipe is manipulating customers, using the word spices is not the problem, but not when you drive the customers to believe something while you are giving them something else.
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Post by maceme on May 9, 2022 21:01:39 GMT 1
But using the phrase 'Original Recipe' with Colonel Sanders Face, without really using the original Original Recipe is manipulating customers, using the word spices is not the problem, but not when you drive the customers to believe something while you are giving them something else. DT Original recipe is just a trademark name, though. Like Big Mac. Like Chevrolet Corvette. It changes and yet it has vestiges of the original with crossed flags or whatever. “Spices” vs “Colonels Original Secret Seasoning” to me is what means it really changed in a meaningful way, like no mustard or in the case of the UK, celery. |
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Post by Deep Taste on May 9, 2022 21:02:56 GMT 1
As I read, in Europe, if an ingredient is less than 2% then it must not be declared, since this very small amount is unlikely to cause serious side effects.
The best way for the Corporation to get around this problem then is to simply reduce Celery and Mustard enough to be able to hide them within a recipe.
Another way is to use 'flavours' that are protein-allergens free in those countries.
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Post by maceme on May 9, 2022 21:04:30 GMT 1
As I read, in Europe, if an ingredient is less than 2% then it must not be declared, since this very small amount is unlikely to cause serious side effects. The best way for the Corporation to get around this problem then is to simply reduce Celery and Mustard enough to be able to hide them within a recipe. Another way is to use 'flavours' that are protein-allergens free in those countries. DT It depends on the country. The 2% rule is usually not for allergens. |
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Post by Deep Taste on May 9, 2022 21:12:54 GMT 1
Do you think they can use totally 11 different herbs and spices other than those original 11 spices used by Colonel Sanders and still can call it Original Recipe?
Where can we draw the line here?
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Post by Silver on May 9, 2022 21:21:23 GMT 1
If 'Original Recipe' is merely a trademark, there is no line to be drawn, at least as long as sales hold up.
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Post by Deep Taste on May 9, 2022 21:25:14 GMT 1
In KFC Canada website they quoted:
“If you’re honest in your purpose and sell the right kind of product, there’s no question in the world you’re building something lasting and worthwhile.” Colonel Sanders.
So what can we conclude if they are now selling us something different, not the right kind of product, not even his Original Recipe?
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Post by maceme on May 9, 2022 21:41:05 GMT 1
Do you think they can use totally 11 different herbs and spices other than those original 11 spices used by Colonel Sanders and still can call it Original Recipe? Where can we draw the line here? DT No, not all 11 - they would lose too much business. Technically could they? I think yes, although it might actually provoke a lawsuit that *might* be successful if the new spices didn’t attempt to replicate the experience sufficiently. I am not a lawyer and can’t comment on implied intent or similar. But perhaps a changed recipe with gobs of bleached black pepper, ton of salt, MSG and and a hint of some clove? Absolutely. Put it in a non-wheat flour? No problem. I’d argue they could still market a piece as OR (TM) thigh or whatever. I think they they have a business model that depends on a certain customer experience and a degree of loyalty. We would know if we are given a piece of OR vs extra crispy vs Popeyes, and yet we *know* the OR has changed, for the worse, over our lifetimes. So the recipes changes balance customer acceptance with business practices. It is why the potatoes are powdered, and the gravy is not cracklings and yet many eat it without complaint. |
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