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Jul 27, 2021 20:56:31 GMT 1
Post by Silver on Jul 27, 2021 20:56:31 GMT 1
Modification #2, such that the MSG plus spices add up to 13 grams:
Flour 200g. Salt 29g. MSG 4.1g. White Pepper 2.00g. Fine Ground Black Pepper 1.5g. Coarse Ground Black Pepper 1.5g. Sage 0.70g. Coriander 0.60g. Ginger 0.50g. Basil 0.45g Garlic 0.40g. Bay Leaves 0.35g. Cardamom 0.30g. Cinnamon 0.25g. Nutmeg 0.20g. Marjoram 0.15g.
4.1+2+1.5+1.5+0.7+0.6+0.5+0.45+0.4+0.35+0.3+0.25+0.2+0.15 = 13.0 grams
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Post by flg on Jul 27, 2021 21:56:25 GMT 1
I really do like the napkin and all the work that folk have done in analyzing the drawings. But I have to be that guy and ask the question. Skeptical would be my first thought.
If the 11 ingredients have been a secret for over 60 years. And, in manufacturing KFC have stated more than one company mixes part of the spices so no one has the full recipe. And they "lock" up the recipe in a vault and yada yada yada.
Why oh why would they give the full list of ingredients to an artist to draw/design the napkin.
If it is real it does contain a few obvious spices that everyone agrees or largely agree are in the recipe. Pepper, Sage, Coriander, Ginger, Garlic etc. But the rest could be just drawings of random herbs and spices thought or talked about being in KFC.
Sorry I just don't buy it at this point. But will I try Cardamom in a recipe, damn straight I will
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Jul 27, 2021 22:37:50 GMT 1
Post by Silver on Jul 27, 2021 22:37:50 GMT 1
And what about this:
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Jul 27, 2021 22:57:49 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 22:57:49 GMT 1
I can totally understand your scepticism and I thought exactly the same. And please always feel free to voice your concerns. We all have the same goal. Here are some points that make me a believer:
1) For me there are far too many matches with what most would agree on and what I figured out myself by experimenting. Its more of a confirmation to me.
2) I am not even sure if this napkin ever appeared in any store after the design phase. It was really hard to find, and if this would have been used, people would have jumped on it like cats. Maybe they stopped it before production and considered it too revealing.
3) The napkin, if authentic, would be the most detailed depiction in my view. Why would they want to make people believe there is nutmeg or coriander in the recipe, when in fact that would not be the case. Making a mystery out of something is one thing, deceiving people a whole different level.
About the two companies mixing the ingredients, do you really think that since all these decades and multitudes of employees operating the machines etc on both sides, no one would ever know the full ingredients and company officials would never talk? Or how about the wholesale traders or producers, that ship silly amounts of 5-6 spices to that particular company that happens to mix one half, and huge amounts of another 5 spices to the other company.
And since they use extracts today, how about the lab staff etc that produce that stuff? So why would they allow someone to know for production and design purposes? Maybe they feel confident and safe that people wouldn't either be able to recreate the recipe after all or that no one could go commercial with a cracked recipe. We all know the legal stories, so what should they actually fear?
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Jul 28, 2021 0:49:16 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 0:49:16 GMT 1
Silver, the plant I said would be sage, can also be a paprika plant. After colourising the leaves, I noticed there is something that could be a hint of a paprika blossom in the middle of the leaves. Marjoram could be the actual sage illustration then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 10:45:22 GMT 1
The napkin is legit! I could finally track it. It was used in Tokyo, Japan in 2007. Below is a photograph from a branch in Takadanobaba. You can verify it yourself online. Just check customer reviews with pictures online. Here is my revised interpretation. Bear in mind that the sketches are abstract in nature, sometimes showing the single leaf or seed, sometimes the full plant. As you will notice, it perfectly matches with my interpretation of the vials. If you do not believe in the vials or think the napkin is rubbish, fair enough. We have already heard all concerns. Play with the items as disclosed or don't. Feel free to just disregard my findings. I think that I am closing in big time here, and I can't fight the feeling that my two most recent posts will be long remembered.
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Sept 5, 2022 11:42:52 GMT 1
Post by Silver on Sept 5, 2022 11:42:52 GMT 1
The main problem as I see it is that this very thread shows how interpretations of the items represented within the napkin are subject to both confirmation bias and dispute, just as for the vials.
The secondary problem stems from questioning as to why KFC corporate would expose its "actual" hidden secrets on napkins in Japan.
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Sept 5, 2022 11:44:44 GMT 1
Post by Silver on Sept 5, 2022 11:44:44 GMT 1
Is the napkin telling us that KFC uses Coriander leaves and stems (aka, Cilantro) as opposed to seeds? And similarly also for cloves (whereby I believe the clove spice to be the dried flower).
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Sept 5, 2022 11:52:08 GMT 1
Post by Silver on Sept 5, 2022 11:52:08 GMT 1
Confirmation Bias: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_biasEdit: I openly admit to having loads of confirmation bias, and struggling with it. We all exhibit loads of it, but few are open to acknowledging it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 12:12:09 GMT 1
The main problem as I see it is that this very thread shows how interpretations of the items represented within the napkin are subject to both confirmation bias and dispute, just as for the vials. The secondary problem stems from questioning as to why KFC corporate would expose its "actual" hidden secrets on napkins in Japan. Hi Silver, you must have missed the part where I said that we've heard all the concerns already Not going down that road again. Asked myself the same. There are many options to explain this. - preference to illustrate the leaf instead of the seeds for for aesthetic reasons
- coriander wasn't specified by the contractor/superior; in many countries the leaves and the seed are both simply called Coriander
- cilantro leaves were replaced by coriander at some point and this illustrates the OG
- etc
I personally do not believe in Cilantro being an OG item. But I could be wrong of course. Would be interesting to see how the "new" items would perform in your recipe.
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