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Post by Silver on Aug 21, 2021 12:47:24 GMT 1
hi guys like some of you I was watching all the episodes of Glen, at the end, I was surprised about the findings of Glen and went straight ahead and ordered on Karl's webshop. Received 1KG very fast I must say I live in the Netherlands and they are shipping it from my country as well. When I was making my own KFC copy style chicken, it seems that my flour compared to Karl's flour is finer. Karl's flour seems to feel a bit rough? Perhaps too much salt is used? Anyways, I made already a lot of batches and without even brining the chicken. I must tell you this is the best blend you can get online prepacked to make your chicken at home. The KFC original recipe comes nowhere near the quality, flavour and texture of Grace's Perfect Blend. I think all of you can relate that the chicken pieces with the OG KFC blend @kfc are too greasy, lack flavour and texture. Guys maybe Karl's is saying it's not the OG recipe perhaps he doesn't want to get in trouble.. Ever thought about that? My sights are set upon exceeding, as opposed to duplicating, the 'nominal*' flavor of OR KFC (for which I contend that no one can possibly precisely remember what it tasted like from 1955, when MSG was first added, through 1964, when CHS sold the company). To my taste buds, I've already accomplished this to my own personal satisfaction. Yet I'm still moving forward with attempts at improvement. *I say 'nominal' because to my taste buds, in any given time period, KFC has never tasted precisely the same to me when experiencing it from one restaurant to another. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 12:58:53 GMT 1
Goededag Chickenmeister and welcome to the forum.
The question is, did Karl give Glen the full recipe or not. If he did, it cannot be the OR, as most of us believe that four different grinds of pepper do not count as four spices, and that salt, which is not a spice, is not part of the 11. But if you do not believe in the "11" or the vials, you could object to this or course.
Will you be able to make amazing chicken and better chicken than the Corp with the ingredients? Yes, definitely. As long as you use pepper, coriander, sage and savory (or marjoram) you will "get there". I did many tests with "Karl's ingredients" and had very good results. It had the taste of KFC. I would say 85-90%. There are some ingredients missing though, to reach the full thing in my opinion.
I have no doubt that Karl's blend is better than any modern day KFC. It uses real spices, it can only be better. Maybe the Colonel himself reduced or changed the OR, because he had realised that on a global commercial scale it would not be possible to use expensive spices such as cinnamon and cardamom, and substituted those with allspice for instance. So it is possible that Karl's blend is still what has been once perceived or marketed as the OR at some point. But that's just a thought.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Aug 21, 2021 15:22:05 GMT 1
The Original Flour Blend for KFC was a Winter Wheat, Barely, Corn Tri Blend?
This Tri Blend was Label as AP Flour.
The shortages of items in the late 1930's combined with rations, wars, etc during that time had the flour being Milled much different then Current 2021 Time period.
Its part of the reason why in the 20,30,40,50 everyone was sifting flour because the flour was much courser, and there were much more bugs in the flour back then.
The Winter wheat was a much more hearty wheat, for deep fried. The Tri Blend was usually 70% wheat 15% Barely, 15% corn and even went to a 60%/20%/20%
The New age KFC uses lots of Potato starch, and starch's NOW as the Original Flour was more starch from the corn and Barely.
Glad you think the Karl's is a Great Blend
please comment on the Flour tri blend
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Post by chickenmeister on Aug 21, 2021 15:29:07 GMT 1
Goededag Chickenmeister and welcome to the forum. The question is, did Karl give Glen the full recipe or not. If he did, it cannot be the OR, as most of us believe that four different grinds of pepper do not count as four spices, and that salt, which is not a spice, is not part of the 11. But if you do not believe in the "11" or the vials, you could object to this or course. Will you be able to make amazing chicken and better chicken than the Corp with the ingredients? Yes, definitely. As long as you use pepper, coriander, sage and savory (or marjoram) you will "get there". I did many tests with "Karl's ingredients" and had very good results. It had the taste of KFC. I would say 85-90%. There are some ingredients missing though, to reach the full thing in my opinion. I have no doubt that Karl's blend is better than any modern day KFC. It uses real spices, it can only be better. Maybe the Colonel himself reduced or changed the OR, because he had realised that on a global commercial scale it would not be possible to use expensive spices such as cinnamon and cardamom, and substituted those with allspice for instance. So it is possible that Karl's blend is still what has been once perceived or marketed as the OR at some point. But that's just a thought. Goededag medelander, yes you could be right regarding the spices and using it on mass SCALE. I myselve burned more than 100 euro testing out different kind of KFC copy style recipes. It's fun proces but it can be time consuming and costly. Someone mentioned on the forum that certain spices get burned when reaching certain oil temp, if you mix 11 herbs, bread the chicken and fry, you'll just notice some of the spices you put in. For example to make the breading spicy you must throw allot of cayenne pepper and chili into the breading. In my journey to replicate KFC especialy the hot and spicy one, I found out that there are ingredients/spices which are manufactured somehow which can stand the heat proces better and there fore deliver a better flavour to the end product. It's called Spray drying. Also I found out recently that KFC uses to marinate their zinger filets with capsicum oil and chili oil. They use prob more ingredients and it goes into a big tumbler. Not sure if it's just rotating or it's also building allot of pressure inside to infuse the flavour/heat of the zinger into the meat. |
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Post by chickenmeister on Aug 21, 2021 15:32:17 GMT 1
The Original Flour Blend for KFC was a Winter Wheat, Barely, Corn Tri Blend? This Tri Blend was Label as AP Flour. The shortages of items in the late 1930's combined with rations, wars, etc during that time had the flour being Milled much different then Current 2021 Time period. Its part of the reason why in the 20,30,40,50 everyone was sifting flour because the flour was much courser, and there were much more bugs in the flour back then. The Winter wheat was a much more hearty wheat, for deep fried. The Tri Blend was usually 70% wheat 15% Barely, 15% corn and even went to a 60%/20%/20% The New age KFC uses lots of Potato starch, and starch's NOW as the Original Flour was more starch from the corn and Barely. Glad you think the Karl's is a Great Blend please comment on the Flour tri blend When I tried it first I was thinking where is the heat/spice in this blend. I was comparing Karl's blend to the hot and spicy from KFC which was wrong. Then I want to KFC ordered their chicken pieces with their original blend. I was shocked at how good Karl's tasted compared to KFC original blend. Personally I never buy the chicken pieces always go for the zinger or hotwings. But if you add allot of chilipowder and cayenne on Karl's blend you get almost there. It's amazing stuff to be honest. |
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Aug 21, 2021 19:11:01 GMT 1
You reference its Good compared to KFC
Many people who have increased the 99x amount higher then the is amount say its Great also.
BUT My General conclusion on BOTH is it makes Great chicken either one you use?
BUT there are many other wholesale suppliers who have made a Texas Fried Chicken or Southern Fried chicken Seasoned Flour that is the same, similar like profile.
I will always agree that they Both 99X and Grace's do hit the mark with the Note.
it was suggested that someone try taking Grace's and adding the 99x to the Mix and see what happens ?
I will agree with make this statement vary loud and clear? It becomes expensive to try different spices and recipes plus many get burned out on chicken. I always say chicken wings are the better testing piece of chicken for recipes.
If you watch Todd W on CMT he spent over $230.00 Buying the things needed for his experiment ? So not cheap
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 21:34:10 GMT 1
You need to invest a bit if you want to crack the recipe. Tellicherry for example is delicious, but quite pricey. Trying to substitute it now. But if you start cutting corners here and there, you will go down the same road (or hill) the corp did.
Try deboned chicken leg y'all - so yummy. You get the benefits of juicy and full flavour meat, crispy skin but no bone or long cooking time.
Grace's is €22.27 for a kg incl. shipping to my country though. That's hefty for a bag of flour. I would have bought it at an earlier point, but my journey is already over now. Thinking about going commercial myself honestly when I see these prices. Damn. What would I need? Packing and filling machine for starters isn't it. No big deal or investment it seems.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Aug 21, 2021 22:25:33 GMT 1
We all have our motives for the Real original KFC.
In the big picture the only thing which stops anyone with the knowledge off the original recipe anywhere is the Non-Disclosure agreements that some are faced with as for any other situation it becomes Greed or the hope for fame and fortune.
I Do Not think 99X or Grace's are only basing there retirement fund on the two spices mixes.
The opportunity for recreating the chicken is more for the ones who want Great Chicken. If Any one thinks that the release of the 11 Herbs and Spices are going to stop a Billion Dollar New Age Corporation, they are dreaming and baking chicken in a easy bake oven. The release of the KFC receipt is possibly effected more BY people making more attempts to figure it out then if the recipe is released. LOL
eastfrisian you may become rich and famous with your recipe if it gains traction and gets off the ground. Just so you know ANY spice maker would blend the 11 Herbs and Spice you want for $1500.00 to $2500.00 First Mix batch and you could get a easy 100LBS of spice blended. The repeat would obviously go down in cost.
I'm sure if you contacted Marion Kay they would do sample Mixes for $300.00 to $500.00 and give you a quote per pound there after. Many other places would also do a set up fee of around $500.00 anywhere in the world.
BUT until your rich and Famous please keep helping with the recreation of the Original Recipe.
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Post by chickenmeister on Aug 21, 2021 22:41:20 GMT 1
To all, try Karl's blend and then judge. For me it has the taste and smell from KFC. I emailed them about the hot and spicy one, but they are working on this version. So I can't wait when this version gets released. I bought here for the ones that are interested and from Europe: www.gracesperfectblend.euOn the .com version you can't order directly. |
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Post by Silver on Aug 22, 2021 15:25:32 GMT 1
What is the difference between Grace's "Perfect Blend" and Grace's "Strong Blend"?
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