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Aug 15, 2022 13:58:43 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 13:58:43 GMT 1
I was just wondering. We have a crystal clear recording from CHS speaking of 10+1, and we have the corp promoting 10+1 as well, and yet we are to believe that it is actually 11+1 because some folks claims so? "CHS contradicted himself". "I have private documents" aren't proof for 11+1. In the same way we are being told that Salt cannot be one of the 11, because it is neither herb nor spice. Well, we see how much we struggle with the very wording of "herbs and spices" and especially labelling. Nothing is clear. A short and catchy phrase like 11 herbs & spices can include Salt. This is marketing, not science. Not to speak of the people that don't even want to count black and white pepper as ingredients. Thoughts and feedback very welcome. Please back up your claims though. No old time stories please. Nothing new really, but here I present two pieces of evidence for 10+1: CHS KFC (Japan) "Kernel went through a lot of trial and error looking for a formula that would bring out the flavor of the chicken, initially using 10 different herbs and spices. The last ingredients I tried to make it even better fried chicken completed "that flavor" that Kernel thought was "the best fried chicken I've ever had in my life."
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Aug 15, 2022 15:23:52 GMT 1
Post by Silver on Aug 15, 2022 15:23:52 GMT 1
The video mentions that salt is not one of the 11. It states Salt and then the 11...
Indeed the 11th is an herb or spice, and that means it can't be MSG.
Based upon my own eye opening experience, either Coriander or Anise Seed (but both need to be of adequate quantity as to be efficacious) is likely ingredient #11.
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Aug 15, 2022 16:14:34 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 16:14:34 GMT 1
Indeed the 11th is an herb or spice, and that means it can't be MSG. This would presuppose that the maker(s) of the phrase share your literal and somewhat scientific understanding of the phrase. Not very convincing tbh. Coriander or Anise? Makes absolutely no sense to risk it all and use completely new spices for a huge crowd. You can try it in small batches, no reason for CHS to be hesitant about a spice. MSG on the other hand is merely an enhancer to boost the flavour and note you already created. No high risk.
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Aug 15, 2022 16:38:07 GMT 1
Post by Silver on Aug 15, 2022 16:38:07 GMT 1
The 11th herb/spice might also be Allspice or Star-Anise or Five-Spice Powder. IMHO, it had to create a flavor that transcends the impact of MSG.
Just as for Salt,CHS knew better than to call MSG an herb or a spice.
Did I read somewhere that CHS attended a Culinary School, or was I just dreaming? Perhaps he wasn't as back woods as I had previously envisioned.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 19:02:17 GMT 1
The 11th herb/spice might also be Allspice or Star-Anise or Five-Spice Powder. IMHO, it had to create a flavor that transcends the impact of MSG. Just as for Salt,CHS knew better than to call MSG an herb or a spice. Did I read somewhere that CHS attended a Culinary School, or was I just dreaming? Perhaps he wasn't as back woods as I had previously envisioned. This is highly unlikely. Just think about it. You have this solid, tasty recipe that people and you love, and all of a sudden you decide to just throw in amount x of a spice you obviously didn't use before, not knowing the impact nor an amount to start from. You must be seriously crazy to take that risk. We all know how tiny amounts of Allspice or Star Anise ruin the show. It must have been a rather predictable enhancer. Be it MSG, garlic or Celery (Salt). Something that adds tastiness, not altering the entire note. Why not call MSG a spice in a way? Where is it placed in your local supermarket? Maybe in the spice aisle? We use the word "spice" figuratively as well in a more common vernacular, don't we, when something is described as the "spice of life" for instance, or anything adding zest, charm and gusto. "Herbs and spices" sounds better than "Herbs, Spices and one seasoning". Not only because the latter carries the connotation of a blend of different spices. At least for me.
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Aug 15, 2022 19:22:56 GMT 1
Post by Silver on Aug 15, 2022 19:22:56 GMT 1
Good thing all that matters is our getting it right, and not how CHS initially got it right.
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Post by Chickenman on Aug 18, 2022 3:30:06 GMT 1
Personally I believe that black and white pepper might not be counted as one of the eleven, and the pepper is just the base seasoning, as is the msg and salt. Then you got the actual 11 H&S which is the addition or booster that takes it to the next level. There is no proof that pepper is counted as an ingredient and there is also no proof that it isn't. So since there is no proof i will experiment both ways.
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Aug 18, 2022 16:40:14 GMT 1
Post by deepfriednew101 on Aug 18, 2022 16:40:14 GMT 1
COME TO CANADA and view the Interviews CHS did with the Missions and When CHS did Promotions for KFC Canada Charitable organization.
ALL the material showed and says the 11 Spice and Herbs Developed in 1939.
The two handfuls of Element Ingredient that was added at the Cumberland Lake cooking time period even Could ONLY happen in 1955 as the National Guard did not have the Cumberland Lake Boat Docks made until the 1954/1955 Time THIS IS DOCUMENTENT when they opened the Large Boat Docks for passengers to view the Corbin Area and the Boats turned around 3 miles from CHS Serivstation IT WAS THE ONLY place the Large Ferries could turn around due to Water depth and turning radius for a Paddle Boat which carried hundred's of tourist.
CHS said 100's of times he originally only used Salt, Pepper, Flour and added 11 Spices and Herbs to that mix ?
In Japan and China there Advertising says 11 HERBS AND SPICE original recipe 1939 ? ? ?
I don't need to cut and past what CHS has video TONS of time in CANADIAN DOCUMENTAIION and mission TV shows.
IF EVERYONE can't figure out when the Cumberland Lake was made by the National Guard Engineers I guess stick with your Thought that there was 10 spices only until 1955.
why does the Museum Show 1939 as the Original Famous Recipe Year ? 11 HERBS AND SPICES
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Aug 18, 2022 17:51:33 GMT 1
Post by Silver on Aug 18, 2022 17:51:33 GMT 1
I believe there are books which state 1939 as the year when the recipe was finalized (sans for the Cumberland Lake boating club ingredient discovery).
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Aug 19, 2022 15:30:36 GMT 1
Post by deepfriednew101 on Aug 19, 2022 15:30:36 GMT 1
KFC has to many items EVERYWHERE that say 1939/1940 Original Recipe 11 Herbs and Spices photo from KFC Museum 2022 Re-Opening
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