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Post by deepfriednew101 on Apr 30, 2022 15:21:12 GMT 1
In Canada
Fine Salt
Fine Ground Black Pepper
Coarse Ground Black Pepper
Cracked Black Pepper
Fine Ground White Pepper
MSG
Ground Coriander / Caraway
Summer Savory
Ground Ginger
Rubbed Thyme
Ground Sage
Rubbed Marjoram
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Post by Silver on Apr 30, 2022 15:32:25 GMT 1
From experience, if Savory is used in the place of Allspice there will be zero note of KFC, whereas with Allspice some measure of the note is there. I can't imagine how Glen's Canadian source suggested it.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Apr 30, 2022 15:39:22 GMT 1
In the recipes that floated around Equal Parts of Allspice / or / Summer Savory EQUAL PARTS OF BOTH, Coriander was higher Ginger was a lower amount then Allspice / Savory.
That would give you the Aroma and contain both items
Fine Salt
Fine Ground Black Pepper
Coarse Ground Black Pepper
Cracked Black Pepper
Fine Ground White Pepper
MSG
Ground Coriander
Allspice / or / Summer Savory EQUAL PARTS OF BOTH
Ground Ginger
Rubbed Thyme
Ground Sage
Rubbed Marjoram
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Apr 30, 2022 15:43:50 GMT 1
Glen Claimed NOT to have the Amounts for the Recipe?
He ONLY lined up the ingredient's in the possible format from the List he received.
HE also said that both list were NOT in the same order and reference the allspice/Savory.
I guess one might need to review his video again to get a definition of the words he said.
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Post by Silver on Apr 30, 2022 19:38:18 GMT 1
Putting a few more of the puzzle pieces in order: (perhaps!!!)
200g Cake or Pastry Flour (external from the bag)
24.g Salt (external from the bag)
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4.0g Garlic Salt (1)
3.6g White Pepper (2)
2.6g Black Pepper (3)
2.2g MSG (4)
2.2g Mild Paprika (5)
2.0g Celery Seed (or) *Coriander Seed (6)
1.2g Ginger (7)
0.8g Allspice (8)
0.6g Ancho Pepper (or) **Crushed Red Chili Pepper Flakes (9)
0.6g Savory (10)
0.2g Mexican Oregano (also called Mexican Sage) (11)
* Use Coriander Seed if you are allergic to Celery Seed.
** Use Crushed Red Chili Pepper Flakes instead of Ancho Pepper if you want more pepper kick. Ancho is about 1,250 on the Scoville scale, and Crushed Red Chili Pepper (or Pizza Pepper) Flakes are about 4,000 on the Scoville scale.
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Post by maceme on May 1, 2022 0:38:03 GMT 1
Here is an untested 200g variant using this format for consideration using multiples and a higher level of pepper than typical:
4.0 White pepper
3.6. Black Pepper (1/3 each fine, medium, coarse grinds)
2.6 MSG (the forgotten item)
2.2 Worcestershire Powder (includes garlic & onion & molasses) (the secret item from the dressing)
2.2 parsley(50%) & Basil(25%) & tarragon(25%)
2.0 Celery seed(50%), caraway seed (50%) ground
1.2 Ginger(75%) & Cinnamon (25%)
0.8 Nutmeg(50%) & Mace (50%) ground
0.6 Mexican Oregano(50%) and Savory (50%)
0.6 Thyme(75%) and Rosemary(25%)
0.2 Clove, ground
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Post by Silver on May 1, 2022 11:52:24 GMT 1
Bringing back Sage:  |
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Post by Silver on May 1, 2022 12:13:13 GMT 1
Of course I've proven that I can't add. Salt via this method is not 28.56 grams as I had been presuming. It is only 27.56 grams. In my opinion at 27.56 grams it will not taste as salty as KFC_OR when the two are eaten side by side. Does that negate the concept of scaling via 20 18 13 11 11 10 6 4 3 3 1  ? |
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Post by Silver on May 1, 2022 12:22:54 GMT 1
Changing Garlic Salt to straight Salt gets you to 28 grams, which is only a tad better. But then where does one place the Garlic Powder or Garlic Salt?
I'm beginning to suspect that the Paprika has got to go! Is it absolutely one of the 1940 ingredients? And how about 1957?
Or is it necessary that there are more than 11 ingredients in the bag? If so then that would also negate 20 18 13 11 11 10 6 4 3 3 1.
After embracing it yesterday, I'm back to saying that 20 18 13 11 11 10 6 4 3 3 1 likely can't be made to work, and is most likely destroying magnitudes worth of critical "degrees of freedom".
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Post by flg on May 1, 2022 14:33:34 GMT 1
I haven't yet sat down to work out what ingredients I would attempt to use. So I can't say the concept doesn't work. When I came around to how easy this may be to scale if the original 100g was meant for 1kg. I had to step back for a bit to clear my head. I think there are a few things we would need to think about. We don't know exactly when he gave this out and we don't know exactly for which era of KFC. Meaning how OR could this OR recipe be? Also, there is a possibility that he may have had a "home" recipe that he used for small batch cooking. Which he knew wasn't the exact same as what was mass produced. As deepfriednew101 has mentioned, he may have known you need a lot more of certain items for small batch home cooking. Open frying etc. Could this be what he gave out to select folks? Certainly wouldn't net him as much problems as giving out the "corporate" blend. The other thing is recanting the story for the magazine. The number 20,10 and 13 were mentioned. No 18 or 11 or 6 etc. Doesn't mean they are wrong. But I did ask where these exact numbers came from. |
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