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Post by Silver on Feb 26, 2023 13:28:42 GMT 1
Is it a worthwhile endeavor to pursue the note of KFC OR via concentrating upon solving the mystery of the 99-X recipe when many user comments indicate that it can only get you about 80%-90% of the way home?
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Post by flg on Feb 26, 2023 15:28:35 GMT 1
Is it a worthwhile endeavor to pursue the note of KFC OR via concentrating upon solving the mystery of the 99-X recipe when many user comments indicate that it can only get you about 80%-90% of the way home? Good question. Here is my take. Today's 99x no. Probably not worth recreating or cloning this. 70's 99x I think is worth pursuing.
I don't believe that CHS gave some old OR to Bill Summers and he strained and figured it out on his own. However, he also couldn't "give" the exact recipe to him. Remember there was a partnership here. Now could he have said the basis is sexton's poultry seasoning and that's what Bill reversed. Maybe. Who knows. I just believe there was as much collaboration as they could get away with.
Was this early version exact OR, no, also don't believe that. However it was good enough for CHS to want to use it in the Canadian outlets. And since I grew up in this time and ate a lot of Canadian KFC at various spots. I am sure I tasted it. So all this being said. I think there is value in trying to recreate the 70's 99x. Best thing is we have more to work with as far as ingredient listings and potential weights. I think from there going backwards to the OR recipe at the point CHS sold it. May be more doable. Go back to the 1950 version not so much.
Just my feelings.
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Post by Silver on Feb 26, 2023 15:37:09 GMT 1
I can see where original 99-X and Canada go hand in hand.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Feb 26, 2023 16:30:02 GMT 1
I want EVERYONE to UNDERSTAND this PLEASE READ:
C.H.S. and Bill S. of Marion Kay was BEFORE BEFORE 1970's
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THE OLD 11 Herbs and Spices were MORE visually Noticed in the Cooked chicken and the Bags of Spices YOU could see the Spices it was NOT ground flour spices pulverized.
ANYONE who knows and ate the K.F.C. in the late 60's and Early 70's Prior to Brown and Massey Sale of the Company especially would Know the Visual appearance of the Cooked Chicken was spotted with Visual Herbs sight Green especially and Black specs.
When I had conversations with Bill S. He said he poured the spices on a plate and examined the spices in the plate and used Knowledge of the 1930's spices and what was commonly available in the 1930's He knew the spices in the 1930's were PURE and what countries supplied the Quality spices.
Remember He was a EXPERT in Spices and Herbs he was Buying 100,000 of pounds of spices and herbs from all over the world ?
He also said Garlic Onion Celery were Commonly used BY spice companies ?
In the Court case against New Age his AFFIDIVIT said this "ANY spice company in the world have the ability to recreate the Original K.F.C. Seasoning"
He was NOT looking for the OFF THE WALL SPICES he was looking for the more Common spices and Herbs of 1930.
He said he used the taste to determine the amounts of which spice, and sight.
Both C.H.S. and Leon Pete Harmon BOTH BOTH said that Pete used the Spice Tins they Purchased at His Families Grocery store which in the day I'm certain would have ONLY sold 20 spices and Herbs in the shelves in the Baking isle back then.
Gloria P in the interviews with C.H.S. was told BY C.H.S that she could find the items in the Grocery store in the Original interviews in the later ones directed her to find a BOX which will contain the Majority of the spices in one package. HE HINTED to her a Seasoning package WHICH were more typically the Salad seasoning packages to make salad Dressing. NOT Stuffing HE DID NOT TELL her to find a Package of Poultry seasoning look for a BOX Package ?
Todd W. when he made his version for C.M.T. went to a local Grocery store with the exception of the Tellicherry Pepper ? Todd Spend OVER $200.00 at the Grocery Store yes it was 2020 NOT 1970's BUT He cooked chicken which Many said SMELLED like KFC coming from the Truck when he was cooking it.
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Post by flg on Feb 26, 2023 16:36:24 GMT 1
Understood that Bill worked with CHS in the 60’s post sale on the chicken seasoning 99x. However, the oldest example so far I have seen of 99x is likely from the mid to late 70’s. So that is the starting point. Otherwise it’s keep guessing.
Hoping one day we get an example from the late 60’s
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Post by smallgree on Feb 26, 2023 16:53:39 GMT 1
I just don't understand this "80% to 90% there" concept. Heck, any recipe with the pepper, ginger and msg are 80% to 90% there. Today's KFC is 80% to 90% there, it's just being prepared by teenagers and dipwads.
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Post by flg on Feb 27, 2023 18:37:14 GMT 1
I keep thinking about this and I wonder about other folks thoughts. Quite a few recipes have MSG for a "26 oz bag compliance" at around 8oz. Although I have seen folks call for more. Fewer for less. Given it appears MSG came in the 100lb barrels. If you are taking 1/2 pound out for each seasoning bag you make. That's only 200 seasoning bags per barrel. Trying to think back to when they still mixed the seasoning bags in house. How many seasoning bags would they have needed per month to keep the franchises they had running? Even if KFC was only part of an outlets menu. Trying to get a handle on the amount of MSG they had to import and store.
Think 1953-58 time frame.
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Post by smallgree on Feb 28, 2023 3:08:31 GMT 1
I'm wondering if the 13% added wasn't in fact msg. If salt was higher, way back then, then msg could have been only 13%. I have never bought into the equally divided portions from the 100 lb barrel theory. Our bakery had many large barrels of various flours that we used. Not one time did I ever sense that each barrel could be equally divided into portions, as for doughnuts, cakes, etc. I think it is pure nonsense. We used what was in a barrel, and when empty, we simply opened another barrel. 100 lbs is simple a standard of measurement to calculate costs and expenses.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Feb 28, 2023 8:38:20 GMT 1
Winston spoke about the 11 ingredients items NOT 12 or 13 specifically 11
M.S.G. was NOT part of the 11 Original
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 11:23:58 GMT 1
I keep thinking about this and I wonder about other folks thoughts. Quite a few recipes have MSG for a "26 oz bag compliance" at around 8oz. Although I have seen folks call for more. Fewer for less. Given it appears MSG came in the 100lb barrels. If you are taking 1/2 pound out for each seasoning bag you make. That's only 200 seasoning bags per barrel. Trying to think back to when they still mixed the seasoning bags in house. How many seasoning bags would they have needed per month to keep the franchises they had running? Even if KFC was only part of an outlets menu. Trying to get a handle on the amount of MSG they had to import and store. Think 1953-58 time frame. This is what helped me. When we look at the 70s MK bag, the premixed retail KFC seasoned flour box and the commercial seasoned flour bag, we can deduct the following: - Total amount of Herbs & Spices is heavier than MSG
- Total amount of Pepper is heavier than MSG
- Itemised Peppers (Black and White) are less than MSG
So I believe MSG is far less than what many, myself included, have assumed. According to my calculation, it must be somewhere between 1,00 and 2,00 grams added to 100 grams of flour.
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