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Post by Silver on Feb 28, 2023 11:56:30 GMT 1
So I believe MSG is far less than what many, myself included, have assumed. According to my calculation, it must be somewhere between 1,00 and 2,00 grams added to 100 grams of flour. I had to be dragged kicking and screaming to this very same conclusion. This is where 'I+G' is supposed to come to the rescue of the reduced MSG as a big time Umami booster, but frankly I haven't noticed any perceptable flavor change if I add it or if I don't. Perhaps my 'I+G' is questionable. ? What have others noticed for 'I+G'? |
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Post by Silver on Feb 28, 2023 13:45:22 GMT 1
When MSG is reduced, Salt is generally increased, and visa-versa.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 14:03:54 GMT 1
When MSG is reduced, Salt is generally increased, and visa-versa. I am very happy with the ratios from the 70s MK bag. I think the New Zealand Tin is similar. Roughly: 5% Seasoning (incl. MSG) 10% Salt 85% Flour Have been using these numbers for a long time now. Works perfectly for me. |
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Post by flg on Feb 28, 2023 14:07:12 GMT 1
I keep thinking about this and I wonder about other folks thoughts. Quite a few recipes have MSG for a "26 oz bag compliance" at around 8oz. Although I have seen folks call for more. Fewer for less. Given it appears MSG came in the 100lb barrels. If you are taking 1/2 pound out for each seasoning bag you make. That's only 200 seasoning bags per barrel. Trying to think back to when they still mixed the seasoning bags in house. How many seasoning bags would they have needed per month to keep the franchises they had running? Even if KFC was only part of an outlets menu. Trying to get a handle on the amount of MSG they had to import and store. Think 1953-58 time frame. This is what helped me. When we look at the 70s MK bag, the premixed retail KFC seasoned flour box and the commercial seasoned flour bag, we can deduct the following: - Total amount of Herbs & Spices is heavier than MSG
- Total amount of Pepper is heavier than MSG
- Itemised Peppers (Black and White) are less than MSG
So I believe MSG is far less than what many, myself included, have assumed. According to my calculation, it must be somewhere between 1,00 and 2,00 grams added to 100 grams of flour.
Sound logic and exactly how I have been basing my estimates on MSG amounts. Real possibility that when 3.75-4lbs of salt was added to 25lbs of flour. It was 1/4 pound of MSG added in the seasoning bags. Which meant 400 premixed bags out of every 100lb tin of MSG ordered. From a supply chain, shipping and storage perspective. May be more reasonable for that time period.
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Post by flg on Feb 28, 2023 14:12:10 GMT 1
When MSG is reduced, Salt is generally increased, and visa-versa. I am very happy with the ratios from the 70s MK bag. I think the New Zealand Tin is similar. Roughly: 5% Seasoning (incl. MSG) 10% Salt 85% Flour Have been using these numbers for a long time now. Works perfectly for me. Pretty close to mine. And we could be building recipes based on different time periods.
5% H&S - Excluding MSG 15% Salt 1-2% MSG - Trying to track this one down.
78-79% flour.
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Post by Silver on Feb 28, 2023 14:42:12 GMT 1
When MSG is reduced, Salt is generally increased, and visa-versa. I am very happy with the ratios from the 70s MK bag. I think the New Zealand Tin is similar. Roughly: 5% Seasoning (incl. MSG) 10% Salt 85% Flour Have been using these numbers for a long time now. Works perfectly for me. That would only allow for ~23.5 grams of Salt when scaled to 200 grams of Flour. To me this seems way low for KFC OR. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 15:18:26 GMT 1
I am very happy with the ratios from the 70s MK bag. I think the New Zealand Tin is similar. Roughly: 5% Seasoning (incl. MSG) 10% Salt 85% Flour Have been using these numbers for a long time now. Works perfectly for me. That would only allow for ~23.5 grams of Salt when scaled to 200 grams of Flour. To me this seems way low for KFC OR. Yes correct, it is 24 grams for me rounded in my recipes. For me it is perfect and I could not bear a pinch more. You don't brine, so maybe you will need more. But like I said I get the rough amount of 10% Salt from the NZ tin and the MK bag. Why would that be incorrect wrt OR? |
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Feb 28, 2023 15:22:42 GMT 1
I agree with East Frisian one needs to view the amounts recommended on the OLD Ac'cent Tins and MSG charts to see amount
also reasoning shows 2 Two Handful's of M.S.G. into a Lug of Mixed Seasoned Flour
Did you Know the Cumberland Falls order of Chicken in the 1950's Time Period was the Largest Preparation of Chicken C.H.S. Had to make when Noe Ordered the Chicken for that Boating Trip It was also One of the First Large Boating Docked at Noe's Marine Dock which was the NEW large Boat Docking of the Boating season where a Larger Paddle Boat could stop ?
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Post by Silver on Feb 28, 2023 15:28:45 GMT 1
Yes correct, it is 24 grams for me rounded in my recipes. For me it is perfect and I could not bear a pinch more. You don't brine, so maybe you will need more. But like I said I get the rough amount of 10% Salt from the NZ tin and the MK bag. Why would that be incorrect wrt OR? Because we know that early 1970's era KFC OR had 30 grams of Salt to 200 grams of Flour, per a franchise instruction manual. |
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Post by Silver on Feb 28, 2023 15:31:27 GMT 1
It seems to me as if 99-X has always recommended less salt than is present within actual KFC OR.
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