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Post by Silver on Feb 16, 2022 14:59:27 GMT 1
On the 99x test done the results of multiple samples was thought to be "MSG tested at 7.725g." Never lower than 7g apparently and the poster felt 8g was a good target number. If that helps We are all speculating here. The guy who did the 99X analysis actually surmised that perhaps MK bumped up the MSG while at the same time bumping down and/or removing other H&S. |
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Post by flg on Feb 16, 2022 18:25:38 GMT 1
I can't seem to find anything indicating MSG was shipped outside of a premixed flour or seasoning bag. Doesn't mean it wasn't. I just don't have it. Have you picked anything up along the way on that?
We need that high level formula at this point much more than was oregano in the 11.
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Post by flg on Feb 16, 2022 18:37:00 GMT 1
Also the 26oz bag from the article you posted just adds an oddity. I have to go back over my numbers on this. This would have been before the commercial 40oz. But it looks like early on he may have used 2.5lb bags (40oz). The 26oz in the plastic bags are from a few years back. Which seem to be newer than the 40oz ones.
You could take the 40oz, lower the MSG by adding or adding more I+G, reducing the pepper in favor of extracts and lowering the salt. All makes it seem like you use less MSG and Salt. To get to 26oz.
So could it be the original 26oz bag had no MSG as you speculated. And with MSG adds to 40oz. But the new 26oz bag is as I posted above. Nothing like the original 26oz bag. Extracts and I+G
More to think about. We will get there on this it feels
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Post by Silver on Feb 16, 2022 18:44:13 GMT 1
I can't seem to find anything indicating MSG was shipped outside of a premixed flour or seasoning bag. Doesn't mean it wasn't. I just don't have it. Have you picked anything up along the way on that? We need that high level formula at this point much more than was oregano in the 11. Perhaps the earliest 26 ounce bag may actually precede MSG. Then at some juncture along comes the 40 ounce bag complete with everything just as before 'plus' 14 ounces of MSG. Then later still, along comes the 32 ounce bag, complete with everything as for the very first bag, but now with only about 6 ounces of MSG, along with a small amount of 'I+G' whereby to more than compensate for the reduced MSG. Then finally we enter the era of extracts, and the bag is further reduced by 6 ounces, and it returns to weighing 26 ounces just as it did in the beginning, when CHS's wife and kids and nephews etc... were filling them. In this speculative evolutionary scenario there is no need to ship MSG outside of any bag. It may however be the case that extracts came much earlier, back when CHS was still having his family fill 26 ounce bags. |
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Post by flg on Feb 16, 2022 18:49:54 GMT 1
I can't seem to find anything indicating MSG was shipped outside of a premixed flour or seasoning bag. Doesn't mean it wasn't. I just don't have it. Have you picked anything up along the way on that? We need that high level formula at this point much more than was oregano in the 11. Perhaps the earliest 26 ounce bag may actually precede MSG. Then at some juncture along comes the 40 ounce bag complete with everything just as before 'plus' 14 ounces of MSG. Then later still, along comes the 32 ounce bag, complete with everything as for the very first bag, but now with only about 6 ounces of MSG, along with a small amount of 'I+G' whereby to more than compensate for the reduced MSG. Then finally we enter the era of extracts, and the bag is further reduced by 6 ounces, and it returns to weighing 26 ounces just as it did in the beginning, when CHS's wife and kids and nephews etc... were filling them. In this speculative evolutionary scenario there is no need to ship MSG outside of any bag. It may however be the case that extracts came much earlier, back when CHS was still having his family fill 26 ounce bags. I like this and matches so far my thinking on it. I did a little check and numbers can be produced to support weighting on the old bags up to the 40oz. I speculated numbers of what may have happened after that. But more H&S between CHS original 26 and the 40oz may not have been a thing. Just MSG |
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Post by Silver on Feb 16, 2022 18:52:48 GMT 1
Or lastly, when someone writes a historical/biographical book, they get some facts wrong, or the author to whom the still living relatives and friends are dictating their recall of the past misconstrues things heard, and gets the facts wrong. Or the author hears only that early on they filled bags to meet franchise orders, and later sees a current 26 ounce bag, and simply back-embellishes what was actually dictated/heard with the current weight whereby to pad out the story a bit. If the author is convinced that the recipe was fixed as early as 1940, then 26 ounces now would logically reflect 26 ounces then (I,E., the historical past).
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Post by Silver on Jun 26, 2022 18:32:12 GMT 1
The 26 ounce bag might actually be doable if one sticks to the essentials for the note and cuts other ingredients to the bone:  |
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Post by Silver on Sept 3, 2022 12:44:36 GMT 1
At the present time I just can't imagine a 26 ounce bag compliant recipe base that would be better to attempt than this one.  |
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Post by Silver on Sept 3, 2022 13:28:37 GMT 1
I must admit that I've gone through a fair number of new recipe iterations recently, but the one above is where the buck stops until I cook it and evaluate it.
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Post by Silver on Feb 20, 2023 3:13:01 GMT 1
26 ounce bag revisited:
5.00 Oz. MSG (12)
5.00 Oz. White Pepper (1)
5.00 Oz. Black Pepper (Medium Coarse) (2)
2.00 Oz. Salt
2.00 Oz. Coriander Seed (3)
2.00 Oz. Ginger (4)
2.00 Oz. Allspice (5)
2.00 Oz. Tarragon (6)
0.50 Oz. Cayenne Pepper (7)
0.125 Oz. Mace (8)
0.125 Oz. Thyme (9)
0.125 Oz. Marjoram (10)
0.125 Oz. Garlic Powder (11)
Sum = 26 Oz.
Add to 400 Oz. Flour + 60 Oz. Salt
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