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Post by Silver on Jul 20, 2021 14:42:04 GMT 1
OK, my next attempt will either be the 7/19/21 version seen 3 posts above, or this "kitchen sink" version (7/20/21). Please help me decide which one to deep fry with.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jul 20, 2021 18:44:05 GMT 1
I have been thinking about testing some recipes in a air fryer and deep fryer ?
It may NOT give the same coating but Shake n Bake coating is a similar coated chicken.
many places make a Dry Pork Rib by dredging Pork ribs in flour and baling them then a deep fryer heating ?
The flavor should be achieved in either method
Remember CHS said the 11 Herbs and Spices works on all MEATS as a seasoning
Country Fried Steak is a simple fried Dredge steak. in a skillet ?
I know its just the way I test new recipes many times and gives options
its the Flavor NOT the method of cooking always deep fried ? ? ?
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Post by flg on Jul 20, 2021 21:46:18 GMT 1
I tested the other day same batch in Air Fryer and Deep Fryer. In my experiment the chicken in the Air Fryer tasted more salty and had a higher pepper flavor than what I deep fried. Now that being said there was no scientific thought put into it making sure cook temps where as close a possible etc. It was drop and fry in each. I'd be curious as to what you find!
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Post by Silver on Jul 27, 2021 13:43:28 GMT 1
I was checking up on Ken's latest (I think, dating to 5/2021) recipe as seen on his KFC forum, and (presuming that I scaled all of the ratios correctly) I've made a spin derivation of his (latest?) spice mix as follows. This will likely be my next attempt. I'm adding 27g. of salt to the flour, but if you brine, reduce this to 24g salt, as Ken states 24g. (or more precisely Ken states, 48g. salt in 400g. flour, plus 26g. of spice mix, but I'm using 200g. flour).
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jul 27, 2021 15:09:41 GMT 1
so if I'm correct that's 13 grams of spice to 100 grams of flour.
I personally will say the amount of spice is indicative to the flavor end result.
a 13 % spice amount is even below what KFC New age uses NOW.
current KFC mix on the minimum 3LBS of Spices, 3 LBS of Salt, and 18 LBS of flour and it taste like FLOUR coated chicken
I would suggest Bumping the Spice up to the same Salt amount and mix at least 1/2 the salt into the Spices and Shake it. There is always Salt in almost ever great spice mix as the spice is a flavor carrier.
let the spice and salt stay together for a few days and keep shaking it. even leave it in a more warm setting to have the spice oils work into the salt. I even add some corn starch to the Spices as a anti clumping agent. everything needs time to sit together and meld it helps the pepper also work both ways into salt and take on some other spice flavors.
remember CHS drove around with a 50LBS Tin of spice and herb in the truck of his car. which would have been non air conditioned and the best tumble truck mixer going in that time period. That truck would have been hot and dry while bouncing spices every mile. CHS always said this to any spice SHAKE the Spice Jar or Salt and Pepper before you use it. I bet there are spices in your shelf that have clumped. How many restaurant's put rice in the salt shakers ?
The bags of spice that are mixed for Corporate are bagged and not shipped to a store for a minimal of 21 days prior.
mixing spice minutes before a recipe can work but you must increase the spice amount to get the same blended end result.
I will also say the same thing I say test the first batch on chicken wings they are the cheapest thing to cook and it has one of the best small pieces of chicken to press and force seasoned flour on the chicken.
I will also say a Pre-flour set is required
Flour chicken soak in the Milk n Egg Warsh ( 10 minutes ) then place into the FLOUR and 7/10/7 coat the chicken. DO NOT BE GENTLE with this flour coating force the flour onto the chicken if you weight 160LBS use every pound of your weight to force the flour into the chicken if your 240LBS use ever pound of your weight it does not matter. The Milk n egg warsh bath will soak it up
I will continue to say that in a home cooking method one should use MORE spice then less and the FIRST batch especially in a new oil batch will absorb the spices INSTANTLY and you will loose the flavor.
again I always hear more people say its to salty when they make the chicken there are two ways to fix that use less salt and more MSG or use more Spice and herb ? or try a equal mix of salt to spice and herbs mix
I will always say the nephew copycat mix was a heavy spice mix not a light weight amount even if you calculate it in teaspoon amounts
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Post by Silver on Jul 27, 2021 16:53:05 GMT 1
so if I'm correct that's 13 grams of spice to 100 grams of flour. No, it's 13 grams of spice mix to 200 grams of flour. See the last line.
13/200 x 100 =6.5%
I believe KFC adds 26 ounces (1.625 Lbs.) of mix (one bag) to 25 lbs of flour.
1.625/25 x 100 = 6.5%
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Post by Silver on Jul 27, 2021 16:55:35 GMT 1
Marion Kay sells 99-X in a 25 ounce (1.5625 Lb.) jar. And instructs to add it to 25 Lbs. of flour.
1.5625/25 x 100 = 6.25%
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jul 27, 2021 17:38:45 GMT 1
I have seen what Marion Kay uses and agree that's the Amount they suggest to mix. Personally I Do NOT like the taste of Deep fried plain flour and need a lot more spice. I also know CHS said you need to season the Flour and sift the flour and after 3 heads of chickens you re-sift the flour or if the seasoned flour has sat for 30 minutes it needed to be re-sifted.
I personally and commercially on the first batch use no less then 1/4 cup of seasoning to flour ratio. The fresh flour and the Filtered OIL suck and absorb the Herb and Spice out of the bread chicken like a vacuum under pressure. BUT I have only pressure cooked a few 100000 heads of chicken in my day.
Yes in some instances the Seasoning gets flatlined and using more does less I will agree BUT temperature and oil absorption dilute NOT only the Seasoning but the salt.
I guess a simple trial and error that needs to be done is ONLY season the Chicken with Herb and Spices and MSG with NO SALT and see what % you get a Herb and Spice taste and real NOTE. its not at 6.25 %, I will await your trial and Chicken results ?
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Post by Silver on Jul 27, 2021 18:47:52 GMT 1
I've decided to remove Ken's 'Star Anise' (in the recipe seen 5 posts above) and replace it 1:1 with Allspice.
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Post by Silver on Jul 27, 2021 18:57:27 GMT 1
Why does Marian Kay make up a spice pack that weighs only 25 ounces when KFC's spice pack weighs 26 ounces? I speculate that they were told to remove some of CHS's ingredients as part of the settlement, and the ones they removed were the least significant, and totaled to only 1 ounce. Thus their 26 ounce bag was reduced to 25 ounce to accommodate the settlement. And to make 25 grams of 99-X into 26 grams of KFC, perhaps all that is required is to determine the missing 1 ounce as to its spices and their weights. 1 ounce = 28.35 grams.
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