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Post by smallgree on Oct 4, 2022 18:32:03 GMT 1
No. 200g.
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Post by smallgree on Oct 5, 2022 18:18:47 GMT 1
Here's one for you scientists out there. I'm not real sure what all of this means, but it has to be something that the Colonel discovered. I entered a chili cookoff Saturday. I cooked Friday night, refrigerated overnight, then reheated in an actual "Crock Pot" Saturday. At that time I took 3 chicken thighs and dry brined them using salt, sugar, msg, baking powder, and just pinches of all of the most recent ingredients from my last recipe. No measurements. These yahoos at the cookoff let that chili sit for at least 4 hours before they were consumed. A saboteur moved my Crock Pot setting from warm, to cook. My chili turned to mush, but the other contestant's chili sat too long. To make a long story short, I got food poisoning from the pot of chili next to mine. Here's what resulted.
I left those chicken thighs in the frig for 3 and 1/2 days. I was just too sick to cook them. Yesterday, thinking that that Crock Pot got hotter than I thought, and reading on the net how to fry chicken in a Crock Pot, I took those thighs, didn't rinse them, then put them straight into seasoning flour and into the Crock Pot, on foil, skin up, turning twice, then cooked them until they reached 170 degrees fahrenheit. They were extremely salty, but extremely delicious. I actually licked my fingers over and over, as they were quite tender and sticky.
What's the point? Regardless of what ingredients I used, this was as good as, or better than any KFC chicken I've ever eaten. I realized that concentrating too much on texture, color, minute measurements, etc., we are wandering away from what we all have been seeking, "finger licking" good chicken.
I believe that when CHS experimented with his project, he just threw stuff in willy-nilly because he was concentrating on a finished product, not on any particular line-up of ingredients. He had a basic recipe that he used, to achieve that tenderness, then used commercial mixes to experiment with impregnating flavor into his already tender and juicy chicken. When he shifted to pressure frying, he altered his recipe to attain that same sticky, tender result. He selected what he liked from those mixes. That's why his daughter told him to stop at a certain combination of ingredients and run with what he had.
There are probably hundreds of variations that would have done the trick. When he hit the taste that paralleled his tender product, he stuck with it. Even KFC said the recipe was unimportant, only CHS's persona. And the times KFC changed the recipe are probably quite numerous. It's the process. What I did, permeated the meat and made it tender and sticky and delicious. Didn't really matter what I used to flavor the chicken, but only how I cooked it. Everything makes sense. The damp holding cabinet; The temperature fluctuations; The numbered turns and pats. The goal is tender, juicy, sticky flavorful chicken. If you aren't getting that, then muntok pepper, star anise, shifting quantities of this and that around, won't work. My next chicken will be lightly browned in a skillet, then placed into a crock pot to tenderize. Takes longer, but, I licked the browed residue on the foil. Gravy?
I had a friend over, and he raved about the skin. So, just what happened, scientists?
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Oct 5, 2022 19:24:58 GMT 1
The Chicken got Dry brined and started to become a Aged Style Chicken like Aged Beef
Dry Brined or Wet Brine is NEEDED for Great Flavor.
I stand on 1 Principle CHS said hundred of times, He Visited 1000 Places with chicken and seasoning in his Car, and some days did NOT cook Chicken, BUT he had to have chicken with him as many places he stopped at Did Not cook chicken or have chicken on the Menu.
CHS slept in his car and so did the Chicken he carried around with him, How Did he preserve the Chicken for Days in a vehicle before cooking without causing a Salmonella, either SaltPetre of that time period or a Brine was the ONLY WAY, to keep the chicken from spoilage, The Original Chicken 1960's 1970's HAD A RED HUE near the Bone BUT the Chicken was cooked to a 170 Internal temperature back at that day KFC recommended temp internal 170 / 175 internal
So the Red was Only related to a Curing Brine of that time. A Curing Agent WILL MAKE STICKY GREASY Meat / cut ANY Cured Heated Sausage Beef or Pork and it will be Juicy and Greasy More then a NON cured meat.
Op's This might explain the 100 Napkin needed from the 1960's to 1980's PLEASE think about it ?
Do a Test go BUY ANY Cured Pork, Ham, Beef Sausage and heat it in the oven and when you cut it open if the Juices are NOT draining out with Grease I would be shocked. even take Pepperoni sticks and heat them in the ovens then greasiness will happen similar to Pepperoni Pizza More greasy then most ?
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Post by smallgree on Oct 5, 2022 21:17:29 GMT 1
When I pulled this chicken from the frig., there was a small amount of pinkish fluid on the bottom of the bowl. I'm sure that it was part blood, but the meat also had a pinkish tint. And I did not use any oil. So the stickiness was not oil. It had to be the cured meat and the sugar in the brine, and of course the collagen that broke down from the skin. I think the Colonel figured this out and had two goals. Quicken the cooking process, and giving the chicken a breaded crust, as this is what people expected.
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Post by smallgree on Oct 5, 2022 21:33:19 GMT 1
If any of this is true, then the OR was calculated to give maximum flavor at a certain temperature and for a certain amount of time. The delicate aromatics will suffer if you use a different cooking technique. That means, and the drums of doom are banging, that if you cook in a deep fryer, or skillet, then you need more seasoning, and you must be cognizant that the delicate aromatics must be babied.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Oct 5, 2022 23:18:00 GMT 1
one needs 2 Stage Heat, while cooking the Bird
Browning High Heat and then stage 2 turned down to cook. Not a one set temperature set it and forget it type cooking.
CHS even said his Mother Poured water down the edge of the Cast Iron which made steam yes but also cooled the Oil to slow cook the Bird at the end.
The problem with Open Top Deep fryers Commercial especially is they are quick recovery BTU machines and the Heat which lowers upon dropping items in Started to reheat immediately to Fast recover the Heat loss. NOT IDEAL for cooking a 2 stage chicken unless you control the Temp. Even Counter Top deep Fryers Home use Do the same thing BUT not a rapid re-heat.
We have NO ISSUE with Browning the chicken pulling it our of a Deep Fryer and letting temp Drop then adding the Chicken back into the Hot Shortening which ever used. Obviously this method will have a more crispy chicken.
CHS even said that once Browned in Deep Fryer it could be baked in a Oven also BUT took more time then a Deep Fryer, Skillet, or Pressure Cooker. Resting the Chicken was ALSO critical to make a More juicy Chicken and NOT LAVA BURN your mouth
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Post by smallgree on Oct 6, 2022 1:45:31 GMT 1
I just seasoned 5 lbs of chicken thighs (dry brined), minimally processed, and will let them sit overnight in the frig. I will repeat my last project, but with less brining time. I will cook in Crock Pot covered with seasoned flour. Next time I'll try milk and egg wash, and then lightly brown in skillet before hitting the crock pot. My buddy bought the chicken and is salivating about the thought of eating what I cooked the other day. I took my chosen ingredients and just pinched and poured this and that to cover the chicken. No measurements. It's better than KFC, old or new.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Oct 6, 2022 14:41:05 GMT 1
Cooking it without Deep Frying was the Version Grille Chicken KFC put out and Todd Wilbur recreated
Kentucky (fc) Grilled Chicken
Brine: 8 cups water 1/4 cup salt
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brush with the following mixture: 1/4 cup olive oil 1/4 tsp. liquid smoke 1/4 tsp. soy sauce
Dry Rub Seasoning: 2 tsp. all purpose flour 1/4 tsp. salt 1 chicken bouillon cube, crushed 1/4 tsp. coarse grind black pepper 1/4 tsp. crushed dried rosemary 1/4 tsp. dried basil 1/8 tsp. dried oregano 1/8 tsp. garlic powder
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Post by smallgree on Oct 10, 2022 3:44:06 GMT 1
I found it. I'm headed to Hollywood.
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Post by smallgree on Oct 10, 2022 18:07:14 GMT 1
I'm already on phase three, and can now recognize some of what is in my KFC mixes. Baby steps.......
Multiples:
Italian seasoning - marjoram, oregano, thyme, rosemary, savory, basil, sage. Chinese Five Spice - fennel, star anise, allspice (instead of cinnamon), clove, ginger. Turkey dressing - Onion, celery, sage, bay leaf, savory. Sausage - fennel, garlic, onion, chili pepper, peppercorns, sage, bay leaf. Peppercorns - White and black. Southern fried chicken - Salt, pepper, garlic.
What if.......
CHS originally used a dry brine, then breaded with salt, pepper and garlic seasoned flour, then fried in cast iron skillet? Some experts on the net say that only salt will penetrate meat and the use of flavorings is a waste of time. Wrong! I do it all the time, so it is misinformation.
Needing to quicken the process, and serve more food to more people, the timely brining was replaced with totally seasoned flour, thus the complicated procedure to prepare and cook the chicken in a pressure fryer.
That would explain the salt, msg, pepper and garlic being separate from the 11 Ss&Hs, which made up the dry brine. The recipe has changed throughout the years, because CHS and Pete began the transition themselves. This is where the newbies suffer, as they never tasted the original. I think I've got my finger on it.
If msg was the added element, then cumin is added to count to 11, with msg counting as #12. Revamped vials will come with a little testing. I mixed seasonings by handfuls and pinches and the result was remarkable. After tasting it, I was hungry all night. I don't eat much, but something snapped in my brain.
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