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Post by smallgree on Dec 9, 2022 19:01:53 GMT 1
Just some notes. Shelton indicated there were 11 elements. KFC in so many words declared that 5 or 6 (not sure how many) of Ledington's ingredients were authentic. Claudia's employee stated that you should think in multiples, as in garlic salt, onion salt and celery salt. Just suppose that this fellow was hinting (hide in plain sight) that those three ingredients were in the OR. That would justify the numbers of Ledington's and Shelton's by including the salt into the 11 which would make it possible to make OR chicken with just that 11.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Dec 9, 2022 20:02:02 GMT 1
smallgree always valid points
I think there might be a correction to the Above that the Settle Recipe ONLY contained 5 or 6 correct items.
it always seemed KFC reply to Ledington's was it was NOT correct and then Joe said it was NOT correct?
Now I might have missed something regarding a reply to the Ledington's recipe ?
KFC standard reply is Always many attempts have been made to replicate the Original KFC spice and herb mix and NO ONE HAS ?
I have ONLY seen ONE reporter out of Montreal Canada who said that There was 1 Confirmed Recipe that KFC knew about BUT the writer of the article has NEVER been found since that Posting and possible resides with Jimmy Hoffa or Elvis NOW and the article has been deleted from the WWW. So either a incorrect statement was made or the had it removed ? Unknown at this point.
Back to the regular post above of smallgree.
when a comment was asked of KFC and or the FDA and Canadian Regulatory about the word SALT on the KFC bags of Spice and seasoning ?
why is there salt in the seasoning when KFC uses a external Salt Bag or Box, and Why did some of the OLD bags NOT list Salt on the Bag or Tin ?
ANSWER from Canada Food administration was Under Canadian Law if a Bag or Tin has the list of Salt, it can indicate a Celery, Garlic, Salt or other Seasoning Salt where the SALT is a Carrier to the Other Herbs and Spices or Vegetable. Whereby if they follow Canadian Guideline's for % of the Carrier and Speciafied items Spice or Herb
THEY ONLY List the word SALT and NOT other spice or herb eg. Celery, Garlic, Onion EVEN IF ITS A ALLERGEN
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Post by smallgree on Dec 11, 2022 0:26:09 GMT 1
I started some chicken thighs that I dry brined overnight with bouillon, onion, sage, celery, white pepper, msg and salt. The last 8 hours I put warm water into the "brine" container. The brownish "sludge" pretty much stuck to the chicken, so I didn't need egg and milk "warsh". I dried, coated with seasoned flour (garlic, onion and celery salt as the base) then skillet fried the thighs for 5 minutes, each side, on low, and covered part way. They are in the Crock Pot now. I remember Derrick Wilson ranting about making the gravy first. I made a small batch and the result was astonishing. I'll need an English degree to explain all of this, as this process is not what KFC used/uses. I'm beginning to believe that even KFC just hasn't figured out how to duplicate what CHS did. I think they pulled back the herbs and spices and ran with the salt, msg and black pepper because they failed to cook the original stuff without burning off the flavor from the herbs and spices. Even extracts are hit and miss because they lack the terpenes found in whole herbs and spices. More later.
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Post by smallgree on Dec 12, 2022 20:48:17 GMT 1
Dehydrated onion. Compare to vial "A". Being part powder (settled to the bottom), and part minced, it leads me to believe that it was rubbed between a human's palms. Commercial stuff is more uniform. Be sure to enlarge the photo as it will show the same clarity as the vial photo. i.imgur.com/tmajVzk.jpg
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Post by smallgree on Dec 16, 2022 5:44:28 GMT 1
It is no secret that I have been reluctant to release the ingredients of my chili seasoning. I combined a small amount of these ingredients several weeks ago and had my grandchildren taste the mix. "Yummy". I have tried several combinations of these elements with some of the "givens" that we all have used. Never quite panned out. So I took these elements, without considering Ledington's, Settles, any book, and all previous interpretations of the contents of the vials, and invented a concentrated seasoning that wreaks of the note. So I took these 10 aromatics, along with ginger and calculated a recipe that mirrors this chili mix I made. I could see curry, Good Seasons and Derick Wilson (not really; I'm not a cannibal) in the mix. Add salt, msg, white pepper and black pepper and you have a strange list of ingredients. Two can be substituted, which makes further experimenting easy. Counting vegetables as herbs, I see six herbs. The key is the light colored vials, with onion as vial A, and oregano as vial K. I studied these elements, and lo and behold, they fit the vials. I am in the process of purchasing a new pressure cooker, as I believe I am about to find El Dorado. I will not let out my chili recipe ingredients unless I hit paydirt. It has to be that way. And to ward off any negativism, chili peppers are fruits.
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Post by smallgree on Dec 16, 2022 21:55:09 GMT 1
I'm dry brining skinless, boneless chicken thighs. I want to figure out another way to infuse flavor into the meat with the equipment "we" all have. Then I'll use the Crockpot to see if I can flavor some tender meat. I really believe that KFC when they changed technique, could not 100% replicate what CHS did. Most, if not all of you first ate KFC from a "KFC" franchise. I did not. My first forage into the world of KFC came from Harden's Carry Out, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, who sold KFC on the side. He used a pressure cooker like CHS's. I think that the stated temperatures are all too high, and are misinformation. To compensate, KFC tried various methods to produce the proper product, like the dry marinade in water, and the adjustments in the OR ingredients and salt. In the early days of franchising, KFC salt was available on the tables because the flavor needed boosting.
CHS modified his pressure cookers with multiple clamps that helped the pressure build quicker, and theoretically, at a lower temperature. How many with pressure cookers when beginning the frying see puffs of steam coming from wherever before the pressure builds up? Then you cook too long because it takes too long to build pressure. The pressure needs to build quick, and the chicken needs to be cooked at a lower temperature, for a shorter amount of time. This is the basis of my experiments. Cooking too long at temperatures too high, kills the flavor. Bottom line.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Dec 16, 2022 22:31:04 GMT 1
I think Every one needs to review Brown's comments about how he settled the Court case between CHS and Heubein Corporation who owned the KFC at that time and Brown in Private went to the Lawyers to settle the Lawsuit Between the Then Owned KFC corporation owner Heubein and Claudia Sanders Cafe' and C.H.S.
C.H.S. was mad that Heubein made drastic changes to the Recipe
Brown Got C.H.S. Millions in a out of court settlement
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Post by smallgree on Dec 17, 2022 9:37:27 GMT 1
Why don't you explain it.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Dec 17, 2022 15:40:16 GMT 1
I Do Not have that much time to type the info at this time and CANNOT find the Transcripts of the conversation
I Do Not recall the Interview BUT will try and recall the interview so I can source the material.
it was After C.H.S. was passed away as I recall reference to C.H.S. being deceased
Sorry to many Things from C.H.S. past memorabilia to review and to busy with the season and real work ?
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Post by smallgree on Dec 18, 2022 0:22:03 GMT 1
Seeing is believing.
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