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Post by flg on Mar 18, 2022 14:22:39 GMT 1
I know Silver and I aren’t miles apart on how we see the ratio of the blocks in the spice bags. Maybe 1g here or there. I can tell you if I take what I use I can satisfy all label weights that include premix flour and all 40oz bags I have photos of. No matter how they list it. When it comes to the 26oz a logical guess can be made on what changes happen to make them fit as well
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Post by Silver on Mar 18, 2022 14:40:00 GMT 1
I know Silver and I aren’t miles apart on how we see the ratio of the blocks in the spice bags. Maybe 1g here or there. I can tell you if I take what I use I can satisfy all label weights that include premix flour and all 40oz bags I have photos of. No matter how they list it. When it comes to the 26oz a logical guess can be made on what changes happen to make them fit as well And no matter what anyone says, the H&S was always bagged for sale to franchises, even when it was being done by family members on the rooftop of CHS's combination garage and restaurant. I believe that flg will agree with my speculation that the earliest bags weighed 40 ounces. And they were intended to be added to 25 Lbs. of flour along with an additional 3 Lbs. of Salt.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 18, 2022 14:40:37 GMT 1
you are correct with position of the specific items reference in sequence of Highest Volume first then lower
The aspect where items are broken out or Listed Black and White are dependent on the LAWS of the Land jurisdiction.
in many lands where they can skirt the Label list with a Grand fathered clause they use the Original Seasoning term
when forced by Legislation then you see more detailed items, BUT then they use more extracts to skirt the Law
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 18, 2022 14:56:54 GMT 1
40 oz. were mixed with 2lbs of Salt NOT 3lbs originally. 2LBS of extra sifted salt. CHS sifted his Salt first in a hand sift to make it ultra fine, and even double sifted it if required. I was on a mission and there was ONLY coarse Salt I was the one who sifted the salt ultra fine for the food required. The salt was inspected after my second sifting and he said that's what I need great Job. The sifter was also used to help sift some spices and peppers that were larger then required. I got stuck with the Job because NO one else wanted to do it. I know everyone wants to Jump on this 25LBS flour Bag size BUT original Flour bags were 10LBS. the Pre seasoned flour were 25Lbs BUT that was MUCH MUCH later in the years CHS said you had to Pre-sift the 10Lbs Bags of flour because of Bugs and white worms in the 1930's he NEVER EVER mentioned 25LBS bags he always said 10Lbs and even referenced Do you know how long it takes to sift 10Lbs of Flour, in larger locations they poured 2 10Lbs Bags BUT again to sift more flour with the Original hand sifters was a Pain in the asteroids.
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Post by flg on Mar 18, 2022 16:19:39 GMT 1
We have all heard the 100lb barrel stories. I tend to believe from a practical point of view. They just happened to be “free” storage containers. Just like I do with deli a salad container and lunch leftovers LOL. So what would be the reasonable size Claudia mixed in. So 5-20 lb batches? Further to that. When hand mixing as much as they did originally they would have to be fast. No precise 3/16 of an ounce measurements. So volume containers makes sense like deepfriednew101 has mentioned before. That or even weight amounts where a whole bag or retail container is the correct amount makes sense as well
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 18, 2022 16:47:13 GMT 1
flg
I have first hand knowledge and very clear details of how it was done with Pre determined measuring cups and scoops ETC ETC.
Claudia measured 100 Lbs. of spices in the Barrels. She mixed smaller batches and mixed it then poured it into the Larger Drums.
Claudia then Packaged 5Lbs Spice Bags. In the Original Days they were NOT NOT NOT pouring whole bags into the Flour Mix like you see on 2020 Vides etc.
CHS showed the original Franchises to measure from the 5Lbs Spice bag to the amount of flour that they required.
YOU NEED TO understand many locations that franchised were hamburger stands who Did NOT sell much Chicken and they mixed the flour in SMALL BATCHES as instructed by CHS.
The New Age KFC Brown and Massey used the Pre measured Bags to Box of Salt ETC ETC a different ERA of employees by the time period in the 1970's
In CHS Day he dealt with OWNER who were LIFERS and not transient workers who came and went with the wind.
CHS measurement always worked to a 100% number with 11 items it was easy to work with any weight required 10Lbs to 100Lbs just multiply the amount.
Claudia had to mix smaller amount because then could only get spice in 6 and 10LBS Tins originally commercial weight.
In Calgary Alberta CHS mixed spices in a Cement Mixer. 100LBS at a time
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Post by Silver on Mar 18, 2022 23:45:49 GMT 1
I've decided that it would be too expensive for me to purchase real Hot Hungarian Paprika, so for the 0.75 grams I need, I'm just going to blend:
0.62g. Mild/Sweet Paprika 0.13g. Cayenne Pepper
The nominal Scoville heat units for Sweet Paprika = 350 The nominal Scoville heat units for Cayenne Pepper = 40,000 The nominal Scoville 'Equivalent' heat units for B&W Pepper = 7,250
[(0.62g. x 350) + (0.13g. x 40,000)] ÷ 0.75g. = 7,223 Scoville Heat Units
So my 0.75g. of Hot Paprika will be (as to heat perception) essentially like adding 0.75g. of either additional Black or additional White Pepper. But it will mainly taste like Paprika. A sort of quasi-Hot Hungarian Paprika.
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Post by Silver on Mar 19, 2022 0:00:27 GMT 1
For future reference:
82.5% by weight Sweet Paprika + 17.5% by weight Cayenne Pepper ~= The typical heat level of Black or White Pepper (by weight)
EDIT: Sweet Paprika is often called Mild Paprika.
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Post by Silver on Mar 19, 2022 12:18:16 GMT 1
Iteration #3 of the 'Everything I've Learned To Date' recipe should theoretically be a very close match to Dustin's recipe (the one seen on 'Glen And Friends Cooking') as to specifically its 'Eugenol' and 'Scoville Equivalent Heat Units', but it matches these two criteria via a rather vastly different overall ingredients and ingredient weights approach.
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Post by Silver on Mar 19, 2022 12:42:45 GMT 1
And Iteration #4 accomplishes the same 'Dustin Matching' things as for Iteration #3, while at the same time boosting many of the ingredients which will provide for aroma and flavor, albeit at a sacrifice of MSG by weight. I should note that both #3 and #4 are fully compliant with the 40 ounce bag. One reason that I've been contemplating as to why my recipes consistently taste wonderful when cold, but not quite at that level while hot is that when hot the aromatic and flavor contributing ingredients may need to be boosted. deepfriednew101 may therefore be correct in insisting upon H&S boosting. But compliance with the 40 ounce bag imposes limits upon accomplishing this which can only be overcome by reducing either Salt or Pepper or MSG (or combinations thereof). MSG seems to be the easiest ingredient to reduce. I could go even further in boosting "other than Pepper" H&S by further reducing the MSG.
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