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Post by Deep Taste on Apr 7, 2019 21:13:28 GMT 1
That is a good post Kaweempo!
I agree, too much Cardamom and it will become KFC Mumbai, and not southern american KFC!
Ledington recipe is the Eula Gibson's recipe, it was the recipe that Colonel Sanders started from, and tweaked till he settled on his final formula.
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Post by kaweempo on Apr 7, 2019 21:29:04 GMT 1
thank you !
I have a critical question . I think any herb used in any seasoning for chicken . will lose 90% if not all the flavor when frying . Is that true ? Have you tried recipes with herbs and without . Does it survive and withstand the frying oil? i read about the internet that some herbs doe and some doesn't .
what do you think?
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Post by Deep Taste on Apr 7, 2019 21:40:10 GMT 1
Sage will survive, I guarntee this, it will not only survive heat, it will also ruin everything infront of it!
Thym and Savory, it doesn't matter how much you will put, you will not notice them, but both of them are hard enough to survive.
Tarragon must be dried, it is a weak herb, just like basil. but they are very aromatic, they will make a difference.
Parsely, you can forget it, it is not a herb for frying.
Bay leaf will pass heating.
Marjoram is very weak.
Oregano, I am still experimenting this herb, but I started to like it.
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Post by kaweempo on Apr 7, 2019 21:57:24 GMT 1
hahaha you sure hate sage .
thanks for the Insightful comments .
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Post by smallgree on Apr 7, 2019 23:54:03 GMT 1
I have a 1998 KFC seasoning bag (in freezer), and a KFC 2016 seasoning bag, and an unopened 2018 KFC seasoning bag. I've been tasting the '98 mix since....well....1998. So I have basically the same thing that kaweempo's buddy has tasted. I hate to be a broken record, but either the OR has changed through the years or it hasn't. We're treading over old ground here. I also have the tumbler marinade powder, the egg and milk powder, the salt box, and of course the flour. I also have a 1990's franchise manual for KFC. At this point, cooking and comparing is all I want to entertain.
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Post by Deep Taste on Apr 8, 2019 2:14:11 GMT 1
Smallgree,
Do you smell or taste any hint of Sage or Cardamom in the 1998 seasoning bag ?!
Can you recognise any spice or herb after Pepper by smelling or tasting ?!
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Post by DutchGuy on Apr 8, 2019 2:45:44 GMT 1
I have a 1998 KFC seasoning bag (in freezer), and a KFC 2016 seasoning bag, and an unopened 2018 KFC seasoning bag. Is a foodlab an option? |
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Post by smallgree on Apr 8, 2019 4:03:18 GMT 1
I taste pepper, msg and salt. There is an after taste that is very difficult to identify. Been trying for many years, even before TCK. I think it is extracts, pepper and ginger. But then again, it is all speculation. I feel like Ledington's is legit, but at what stage of the story I'm not sure. In the past 4 or 5 years when I cook a recipe, I keep saying to myself, TOO MUCH, TOO MUCH, TOO MUCH. That is why I'm convinced that the low quality chicken available today is responsible for much of the change of taste. I firmly believe that when the "help" mixed the ingredients early on, that CHS followed up with the secret ingredient(s). I rode the nutmeg train for a long time and haven't excluded it completely, although it's use, if at all, is not major.
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Post by Deep Taste on Apr 8, 2019 6:23:37 GMT 1
As I said before, I was able to taste Nutmeg in 3 bites the last time, it was there, and I am looking now for the right combination of herbs and spices that signalize its perfume the same way, but my problem is with Sage, It predominates all other elegant spices like Nutmeg.
The other thing is, through my last visit to KFC, I thought I detected Celery too, but I am sure it was not listed as one of the allergens!
How can we explain this, and if celery was not what I tasted, then what could be that?! Celery is unique in its own way, and nothing I know of can substitute this spice to satisfaction, except maybe the complbination of coriander, parsely and ginger together.
Any thoughts on this?! Are we to trust companies when they dont list Mustard or Celery although they are there ?!
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Post by kaweempo on Apr 8, 2019 8:23:25 GMT 1
Deep taste . The fact that celery and mustard cant be excluded from the O.R
Does not mean they are in the O.R , They are an allergy ingredients , they have to be listed . But saying may contain , could strongly means that the companies that mix the seasoning had celery and mustard . Sure they make a great chicken , just doesn't mean they are in KFC note.
Second thing are we sure that there is garlic at all in kfc 50's? because i think colonel sanders is an honest man
The speech . He Compared his chicken to the southern chicken . He said he wasnot satisfied with his 10 herbs and spices so he added the 11th ingredient . He didnot say the 11th spice or herb . He also said he was better than the other folks because he use good chicken and the pressure fry . So in CHS Point of view . He is better than the southern chicken folks because :
1- He use good chicken . And pressure fry is so important to keep the chicken juicy .
2 - He has a similar seasoning till he added the 11th ingredient "CHICKEN BROTH POWDER"
Believe it or not , A standard southern poultry seasoning has 10 ingredients . The eleventh ingredient is not msg , its Chicken broth powder .
I have strong sense on this one .
Looking at the vials graph . If white and black pepper are considered to be only 1 ingredient . Then the famous vials graph has only 10 ingredients .
Or Vial G might not be White pepper at all "does any 1 positive that white pepper was in 50's there? " He may have used only Tellichery black pepper . But later when he sold his company . The owner found tellicherry to be more expensive so they reduced it and replace with white pepper . In that is true , then vial F could easily be the 11th ingredient . ALSO , If Vial F was Truely Ginger . Then vial G could easily match chicken broth powder .
A - Coriander
B - Savory Or Herb Or Celery
C - Cloves
D - Sage Or Herb
E - Allspice Or Herb Or chili
F - Ginger Or 11th
G - White pepper Or 11th
H - Mace
I - Thyme Or herb or celery
J - Nutmeg
K - Tellicherry Black pepper
I didnot just throw Mace and nutmeg and cloves for no reason . I have read it in some book before , They were a standard in southern fried chicken with the other "herbs" , Also trying to match the vials . Nutmeg CAN actually match vial J as well as H . i was surprised . Considering the cloves vials are much darker than the fresh ground cloves . And change of color due to the photoshooting lighting and the condition of aged spices . All these claims have strong foundation to begin with .
Batel / kaweempo
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