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Sept 26, 2022 22:18:24 GMT 1
Post by flg on Sept 26, 2022 22:18:24 GMT 1
The napkin was authenticated I read. So now we think KFC gave the 11 ingredients to an artist to draw the napkin? This is the working theory?
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Sept 26, 2022 22:32:00 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2022 22:32:00 GMT 1
The napkin was authenticated I read. So now we think KFC gave the 11 ingredients to an artist to draw the napkin? This is the working theory? We have standards now? 90% of what you read here are stories and speculations, and the very thing you want to doubt is an illustration that includes items almost everyone more or less thinks are in the OR? The argument just never gets old. People have to sign non-disclosure agreements for a reason. Try to contact artists and photographers that worked for KFC. They won't even respond to you. I tried. If you really believe only 2 people in the world know the recipe, as the corp claims, you must be a hopeless romantic. |
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Sept 26, 2022 22:38:33 GMT 1
Post by flg on Sept 26, 2022 22:38:33 GMT 1
The napkin was authenticated I read. So now we think KFC gave the 11 ingredients to an artist to draw the napkin? This is the working theory? We have standards now? 90% of what you read here are stories and speculations, and the very thing you want to doubt is an illustration that includes items almost everyone more or less thinks are in the OR? The argument just never gets old. People have to sign non-disclosure agreements for a reason. Try to contact artists and photographers that worked for KFC. They won't even respond to you. I tried. If you really believe only 2 people in the world know the recipe, as the corp claims, you must be a hopeless romantic. I'm fine with that. Just was trying to understand how valid this may be. I agree about the speculations. The post you made to tie in the source to the ingredients was excellent. And probably should become a pinned living document. Add all the sources in one place. I was reading today some extra evidence of celery was extracted from the place mat from Russia.
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Sept 26, 2022 23:16:14 GMT 1
Post by maceme on Sept 26, 2022 23:16:14 GMT 1
I’ve been looking at the napkin recently, and while the latest picture identification I saw has merit, I think there is enough ambiguity that I’d suggest that the following changes are possible: Clove -> star anise shrub - the separated leaves are appropriate for this, and some form of anise flavor seems needed, and the images don’t work well for fennel or anise. Pepper -> allspice berries (allspice berries have the prominent stem dimple), and I currently think there are more than 11 ingredients, and no pepper in the Vials. Capsicum -> clove (clove buds seems to push out of the center sprig in many photos I’ve seen). The leaves themselves work well for marjoram and oregano, but the bud in the middle limits that. I don’t think there is pepper shown In the vials. Nutmeg - the lower 1/3 of the nutmeg is a bit darker, which might indicate using both nutmeg and mace. Other thoughts: Thyme -> bay leaf or basil - less sure of this, but the curved end of a single leaf is certainly very reminiscent of bay or basil. If it is thyme, it is broad leaf thyme, vs sprig thyme. If rosemary is the “v’s”in the center, there might be no savory, thyme, or marjoram. I know some of these have been considered before. I am currently working on the napkin again. The artist did a great job. Interesting point, could be Star Anise in deed. I ruled it out because I think Cloves is definitively in the OR and no other sketch would match so well. The capsicum I am very sure is a chili plant. Look at the blossom and the shape structure of the leaves. But of course, this is just my take on it.  As of now, I would say that the berries are pepper. I just struggle with the idea of having allspice in the recipe when you already have cloves, nutmeg/mace and cardamom. Also not a fan of Vial K not being Pepper honestly. I do like the idea of it being chili spice, especially as a catch-all for a small amount of a balanced mix containing cumin, smoked and sweet paprika, red pepper, onion, oregano, cinnamon, garlic, onion etc. |
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Sept 27, 2022 3:10:42 GMT 1
Post by Chickenman on Sept 27, 2022 3:10:42 GMT 1
Unless someone can prove to me that star anise was a common ingredient back in those times, then star anise is not in the recipe. Colonel Sanders was truthful when he said "all the ingredients can be found on everybody's kitchen shelves" the reason he said that is because it's 100% true, and makes his recipe sound more impressive that it can be made from simple common ingredients and not some rare exotic spice nobody has heard of.
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Sept 27, 2022 4:04:46 GMT 1
Post by maceme on Sept 27, 2022 4:04:46 GMT 1
Unless someone can prove to me that star anise was a common ingredient back in those times, then star anise is not in the recipe. Colonel Sanders was truthful when he said "all the ingredients can be found on everybody's kitchen shelves" the reason he said that is because it's 100% true, and makes his recipe sound more impressive that it can be made from simple common ingredients and not some rare exotic spice nobody has heard of. When was the earliest you think he said that? If he didn’t say it until 1967 or 1968 as corporate ambassador, then it doesn’t much matter what was on everyone’s shelf in 1950. |
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Sept 27, 2022 5:31:20 GMT 1
Post by Chickenman on Sept 27, 2022 5:31:20 GMT 1
Unless someone can prove to me that star anise was a common ingredient back in those times, then star anise is not in the recipe. Colonel Sanders was truthful when he said "all the ingredients can be found on everybody's kitchen shelves" the reason he said that is because it's 100% true, and makes his recipe sound more impressive that it can be made from simple common ingredients and not some rare exotic spice nobody has heard of. When was the earliest you think he said that? If he didn’t say it until 1967 or 1968 as corporate ambassador, then it doesn’t much matter what was on everyone’s shelf in 1950. That's a good point, but when he said "common on everybodys shelf" it would have been referring to what he knew as common back when he made the recipe. I doubt in his age and becoming a millionaire he would have been up to date with all the new common herbs/spices. "oh yeah, i used star anise back when it wasn't common, but now i know it's common, so i can say on everybody's shelf" He also said "take some seasoning from sausage, take some from dressing and thats where i got my chicken recipe" star anise was not a common sausage seasoning in those times. Fennel was tho. |
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Post by maceme on Sept 27, 2022 6:37:31 GMT 1
When was the earliest you think he said that? If he didn’t say it until 1967 or 1968 as corporate ambassador, then it doesn’t much matter what was on everyone’s shelf in 1950. That's a good point, but when he said "common on everybodys shelf" it would have been referring to what he knew as common back when he made the recipe. I doubt in his age and becoming a millionaire he would have been up to date with all the new common herbs/spices. "oh yeah, i used star anise back when it wasn't common, but now i know it's common, so i can say on everybody's shelf" He also said "take some seasoning from sausage, take some from dressing and thats where i got my chicken recipe" star anise was not a common sausage seasoning in those times. Fennel was tho. Well, I am actually currently using fennel, but I’n not ruling out anise or star anise based on the statement. Taste is a better arbiter and I haven’t cooked enough to decide. Claudia said whenever they had trouble getting certain spices CHS would figure out a change so they could ship, so perhaps he would substitute in fennel for anise or vice versa as needed, so we can do the same. I’m uncomfortable saying 100% about most ingredients in this recipe. Muntok vs Sarawak - can’t be sure. Tellicherry vs Malabar no idea. Grind size- - don’t know. Allspice & nutmeg vs cinnamon, nutmeg, & clove ? Hard to tell. Even the black specs you could see see at one time aren’t necessarily pepper - they were apparently fake ash like specs at one point. Onion, scallion, chives, cabbage carrot, garlic, red pepper, green pepper, paprika, baking soda, barley, dextrose, maltodextrin, gelatin, phosphates, brown sugar, tamarind, maple syrup, honey, molasses? Maybe … I think he stayed cooking in his small house in Canada and was pretty savvy and connected with what was available in a grocery store in right up until his death in 1980. |
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Sept 27, 2022 6:50:28 GMT 1
Post by maceme on Sept 27, 2022 6:50:28 GMT 1
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Sept 27, 2022 7:16:47 GMT 1
Post by Chickenman on Sept 27, 2022 7:16:47 GMT 1
I can confidently say for myself that star anise is 100% ruled out. It works very good and probably the best anise spice you can use if you want an instant anise hit. In my recipe with caraway, cardamom etc star anise would go against those flavours imo.
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