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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 0:11:53 GMT 1
Comparing the napkin and the spice bowls is key. From the latter, three ingredients are being revealed very obviously, namely Rosemary, Capsicum and Cloves. I am using the term Capsicum, because I think it is quite possible that this ingredient in itself is a blend of Paprika, Cayenne and Chili as described by deepfriednew101. If we add these three to Pepper and Sage, which most would consider absolutely certain, we have the following: Pepper Sage Rosemary
Capsicum
ClovesThe napkin undoubtedly confirms Garlic, Coriander, Ginger and Nutmeg. So let's add them as well. Pepper Sage Rosemary Capsicum Cloves Garlic
Coriander
Ginger
NutmegI am pretty sure the napkin also confirms Cardamom seeds. It's in the commercial blend of 99X-X too, and I tried it many times myself now. I will add it to the list. Pepper Sage Rosemary Capsicum Cloves Garlic Coriander Ginger Nutmeg CardamomNow the last ingredient I couldn't clearly identify on the napkin would be herb No 7. I thought it might be Bay Leaf, but when I tried it, it gave the chicken a bitter taste, even in smaller quantities, and didn't contribute any flavour. Other possible and popular herbs would be Marjoram and Thyme. Didn't know which one it would be unless I started to break down the wall depiction and was left with one herb, placed between Nutmeg and Ginger. Then I knew it must be Thyme, because dried Marjoram is flaky. Thyme is a perfect match. It is also far more intensive and adds more flavour than Marjoram, even in lower quantities. So after spending hours and hours, here is my (hopefully) final list: Pepper (Tellicherry and White Pepper) SageRosemaryCapsicum (probably a Paprika and Chili Blend) ClovesGarlicCorianderGingerNutmegCardamomThymeNow remember, to identify photographs of herbs and spices is difficult: - Huge colour differences between crops, qualities and brands
- Incredible variety of varieties
- Low photo quality or bad lighting
- Oxidation
- Shape of the herb or spice (ground, cracked, rubbed etc.). Cracked Cardamom for instance, looks exactly like Black Pepper. I think this what most people get wrong about vial K. Pepper is in vial C. There is no herb that would oxidise this hefty inside a container, and if you look very carefully, you can see white spots, which indicates cracked pepper. Black Garlic Powder is rarely ever this black, and rather brownish. It only became popular in the West recently, and I am not sure if it was even around at the time of the Colonel. But feel free to correct me on this if I'm wrong.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jul 31, 2021 6:15:20 GMT 1
Marjoram, Tarragon have been listed in KFC other countries
Thyme and Rosemary are such a staple to Chicken.
Look at the ingredients of the 1956ish McCormick's Italian Seasoning or Herb seasoning in the Outdoor Kit
CHS had helped make this Kit. Remember CHS sold Brown & Massey the BBQ Franchise before the KFC
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jul 31, 2021 6:19:33 GMT 1
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jul 31, 2021 6:30:51 GMT 1
McCormick Spice Bottle Ingredients
Mccormick BBQ : Spices(Including Paprika, Celery Seed, Coriander, Chili Pepper) Onion, Garlic, Salt
Mccormick Italion Seasoning: Marjoram, Thyme, Rosemary, Savory, Sage, Oregano, Basil.
Mccormick Herb Seasoning: Salt, Parsley, Onion, Garlic, Spices(Herbs)
Mccormick Season All: Salt, Spices (Including Chili Pepper, Black Pepper, Celery Seed, Nutmeg, Coriander), Onion, Paprika, Garlic
Mccormick Meat Tenderizer: Salt, Onion, Dextrose, Paprika, Annatto (Color), Spice, Garlic, Yeast Extract, Tomato Powder, and Bromelain (Tenderizer)
Following are the common ingredients among most of these mixes: Paprika, Celery Seed, Coriander, Chilli Pepper, Onion, Garlic, Salt
also Remember this Recipe
Col Sander's BBQ Recipe
1⁄2 cup water
2 tablespoons catsup
4 1⁄2 teaspoons Worcestershire sauce
3 3⁄4 teaspoons bead molasses
2 1⁄4 teaspoons liquid smoke
2 teaspoons black pepper
1 1⁄2 teaspoons ground sage
1 1⁄2 teaspoons smoked salt
1 1⁄8 teaspoons allspice
3⁄4 teaspoon new mexico chile powder
3⁄4 teaspoon cumin powder
3⁄4 teaspoon ground mustard
3⁄4 teaspoon paprika
3⁄8 teaspoon celery salt
3⁄8 teaspoon cinnamon
3⁄8 teaspoon ginger
1⁄8 teaspoon cayenne pepper
A apple Does NOT fall far from the Tree and a Cook Uses the spices he's most associated with
combine some other things we know the Chines Reverse engineered and 1974 Esquire NOTED these items
Basil x 2,
Caraway,
Cayenne Pepper,
Chili Powder,
Cinnamon x 5,
Coriander Seed,
Oregano,
Rosemary,
Savory,
Tarragon, Herb
Thyme x 2,
some start jumping out more then other BY to many things again and again
Tarragon court case 1966, Savory in the 1967 commercial, Ginger to many places,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 9:12:49 GMT 1
Thanks for all the info again, deepfriednew101. But what has been listed in other countries etc. would only proof that the Corp had moved away from the original recipe or replaced ingredients as someone else already explained (or was it you..?). The Ukrainian recipe you posted would be an example of really cutting the corner and flavour loss.
We have been presented with many possible ingredients, but they cannot all be part of the 11, and this is what I was looking for, if that's even possible. Tarragon could have been used in an attempt to replace the very expensive Cardamom. Or do we have any solid evidence from the Colonel's time? I have used it in my recipes before and didn't like it at all. Some ingredients can indeed be exchanged in case of a shortage or so, e.g. Marjoram or Savory for Thyme, Allspice for Cloves and Nutmeg, so don't get lost deciding over these.
Also, with all due respect, the Colonels engagement in other spice blends doesn't really mean a lot. If we go down that road, we would end up with 100 possible ingredients.
With the list of herbs & spices I provided, you will be able to recreate KFC to a level of indistinguishability and bring back the flavour it once had. Of course this is subjective, but I trust my sensoric and analytical skills, the photographs and graphics only support me.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jul 31, 2021 16:19:49 GMT 1
You are correct but seeing what KFC uses Now is NO DIFFERENT the Bill S from Marion Kay in 1973 when given a Bag of Spices and looking at what was in the Bag in 1973 then saying what was a Better More Common used item in 1939. Bill S used good old fashion Understanding. What was Common and what was Better in 1939.
I totally agree that there are many items that have been exchanged But Many are to distinctive in Aroma and Taste
Great Black Pepper
Clove
Ginger
Cinnamon
where we Look at the power houses of spices and Remember the Quality has Gone Down in most areas of spices as a cold rubbed And Cold Ground Spice retained the OILS in the Spices which new age methods of high speed spice processing use.
There are ONLY ONE way to contend with that USE more spice or Highest quality spices available and adding in extract Oils to make it more powerful
in flavor
I agree you did a great JOB with your work and will help get some amounts possible
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 22:14:15 GMT 1
I haven't had KFC in a very long time. Maybe years. As we were on a long trip a few weeks ago, I decided to have some again on the road, since my wife never actually had KFC but witnessed my sessions and trials. We were both utterly disgusted. No taste at all. Only salt, grease and MSG. I am not one of those that keep saying this and that was better back in the days etc, but KFC went down the hill completely. So ANY chicken you make using only the first 5 ingredients will be better and more flavourful than any temporary KFC product. At least where I live. I am sorry to say this. I wish I could say otherwise. What started as an adventure for me became mandatory. I'm saying this to encourage you, keep up the good work. I boldly titled this thread "The End" because I am absolutely sure to have cracked the 11 AND the ratios. Stick to my 11 and you will succeed, I promise. In the meantime, here are two pics from me.   |
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Post by Silver on Aug 2, 2021 15:12:13 GMT 1
What is the status as to the validity of the napkin? Why would KFC divulge their ingredients on a napkin if they will not divulge them otherwise, even in court?
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Aug 2, 2021 15:32:29 GMT 1
It look Like a Dam good piece of chicken
as everyone out there may not remember the OR taste that was a moist soft and great tasting coated chicken. That you could freeze and reheat in a oven and was almost as good with flavor. I agree the New Age KFC is a Flour base MSG chicken coated crispy chicken.
I'm certain there would be extremely happy people if you break the 11 Herbs and Spices.
I continually say this as a Team it should be found KFC cannot shut down a Team of people who share cooking Tips and Recipes to make the Best Dang Chicken you have ate. In all reality KFC only gives a crap about the Myth the Legend the hype of the SECRET 11 HERB'S and SPICES could you see the NEW AD'S KFC would have to write..
Our Chicken used to have a Secret Herb's and Spice
Other's have found the 11 Herb's and Spice so we will stick to Extract's and MSG
Lets look at a number perspective KFC would not loose any more money By people knowing the recipe, In fact they possibly loose More as the people who try making the KFC OR spend more money and eat more Chicken AWAY from KFC then in there stores. The people who would Use a KFC Chicken home version would NOT be buying KFC anyways. SO IT WOULD NOT EFFECT the bottom line except in the marketing and the Fact that the Recipe is a secret LMAO.
I can Here the Headlines Eastfrisian and Others have kicked KFC in the Chicken Balls and made a better Chicken
I want people to thing about this ? ? ?
How Many Recipes has KFC put there neck on the Line about and said THEY DO NOT HAVE THE REAL RECIPE ? ? ?
Tommy and Shelly Settler
Joe Ledington, the nephew
and then they say there famous line many have tried to recreate the recipe but non have been successful. The Original is Locked away in a Vault and Only 2 people know the Receipt and for out security we use Two different Spice Companies to make the recipe. Blah Blah Blah Blah.
it's Funny that don't seem to say anything about many others Like the forums and other video claiming to be the KFC ORIGINAL
My last point is If anyone thinks they are going to be rich and famous for figuring out the KFC recipe I think they are dreaming they may get some fame on TV etc. and then be told close but NO cigar ? KFC never has to admit that someone has cracked the code, unless they want to?
They will stick to giving a painting to a Guy who said 5 Spice Girls and 6 Guys named Herb or was it 6 Spice Girls and 5 guys named Herb ?
What Do the People Know for sure AS RELEASED BY KFC
That Salt, Pepper, MSG, Tarragon, Ginger, Garlic, Onion Powder are in the KFC recipes. That's according to service announcement's TV ad's and some Ingredient's in other countries they list
Salt,
MSG,
Black Pepper Ground,
White Pepper Ground,
Paprika,
Chili powder,
Black Pepper Medium,
Coriander,
Marjoram,
Celery,
Garlic Powder,
Onion Powder,
Red Pepper,
Paprika extract,
turmeric extract
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 17:05:05 GMT 1
I agree with deepfriednew101. KFC would never openly admit if someone cracked the recipe. That would be stupid of them. This is their biggest asset. But they love playing with their mystery for sure. So unless you are able to summon the Colonel, which I highly doubt, you will probably never KNOW the truth. All you have got are a few hints here and there and your taste buds. There will be no other proof I'm afraid. So even if the napkin was authentic, they can always deny that someone got it right. So instead of waiting for rock solid proof, get the fryer out  The napkin never made it to the stores I believe. They must have pulled them back. But let's assume they're fake. Where and who is the author, that not only owns a professional napkin printing device, but also happens to know, let's say the least, many of the ingredients, and that has got great graphic skills too, and yet instead of revealing the items, he would try to make it extremely hard and abstract. And why wouldn't that person make sure this goes viral, to fool and delude as many as possible? Does that make any sense to you? I would love to hear someone knowledgeable speak about the legal situation though. I mean I understand that they have the right to keep their franchisees from buying non-licensed spices, and I can also understand how they would be able to make sure no one can go commercial claiming to sell the real deal, but how can they silence a cheeky YouTuber from giving out ratios of a product that officially isn't even the real thing? So it makes sense what deep-fried said. Even if MK and the likes only have a certain amount of spices in their blend, in combination with proper ratios, this would still be utterly critical for KFC. You don't miss much if you leave out background players like clove, nutmeg or even paprika. The first 5-6 play the biggest role. |
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