smallgree
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Here is a vial recipe:
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Post by smallgree on Mar 23, 2024 9:41:26 GMT 1
Coward
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 23, 2024 14:38:58 GMT 1
smallgree said:
Good Seasons, Lipton Tomato Soup, Ac'cent, curry, Aromat, Maggi, Knorr, BBQ spice, Catsup spice..........The only thing I believe, without a doubt, is that the ingredients were found on everyone's shelves.
chickman said
Are you saying you believe the ingredients were on everyone's shelf, but some of them not on everyone's shelf as an individual spice, but instead being contained in a mix?
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Post by Chickenman on Mar 24, 2024 3:20:48 GMT 1
How Fenugreek seed was common to everyone's shelf is irrelevant to me because i know it's in the recipe. It's also irrelevant because i don't believe Sanders when he said "common to everyone's shelf" the fact of the matter is that the recipe ingredients were not common to everyone's shelf, even the actual commonly used ones.
I also believe Nigella seed is 100% apart of the recipe. Why? because i've discovered them on the modern O.R as specs. There's also a black vial that matches their colour perfectly, Sanders also loved baking bread and Nigella seed is used on bread. This is MORE than enough evidence for me. So this completely refutes Sanders claim about the ingredients being common.
Sanders saying "common to everyone's shelf" could have many different meanings.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 24, 2024 14:15:49 GMT 1
Yes you might see Nigella seed in a NEW AGE KFC
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as for Nigella Seed in 1930's Please show me a OLD spice Tin for nigella Seeds which C.H.S. would have purchased in the late 1930's and We Have C.H.S. recipes for Baking Bread many people have it which Does NOT use Nigella Seed in the Bread Recipe's and NONE of His Recipe's He ever Gave any Franchiser contains Nigella Seed
After the 1970's ANYTHING is Possible as the NEW AGE changed recipes in many different regions so It could possibly be in the recipe and as for the Black Spec Do You know how many people speculated Poppy Seed also which is a similar Look and shape as nigella Seed
Now Do Not mistake the USE of Cumin Seed in Older time as it was used BUT again they are different items
As for after 1970 it may be found as you claim in the NEW AGE BUT in 1939 NOT found in Grocery as a Cooking item
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Post by Chickenman on Mar 25, 2024 2:47:11 GMT 1
Yes you might see Nigella seed in a NEW AGE KFC BUT as for Nigella Seed in 1930's Please show me a OLD spice Tin for nigella Seeds which C.H.S. would have purchased in the late 1930's and We Have C.H.S. recipes for Baking Bread many people have it which Does NOT use Nigella Seed in the Bread Recipe's and NONE of His Recipe's He ever Gave any Franchiser contains Nigella Seed After the 1970's ANYTHING is Possible as the NEW AGE changed recipes in many different regions so It could possibly be in the recipe and as for the Black Spec Do You know how many people speculated Poppy Seed also which is a similar Look and shape as nigella Seed Now Do Not mistake the USE of Cumin Seed in Older time as it was used BUT again they are different items As for after 1970 it may be found as you claim in the NEW AGE BUT in 1939 NOT found in Grocery as a Cooking item And so what spices does he use for those bread recipes? he might have shared a few bread recipe but that doesn't mean anything. If he shared ALL his bread recipes that would be different. I bet those bread recipes are also lacking many other common bread spices like caraway seed for example. Even if nigella seed isn't apart of the original recipe, i seriously, seriously doubt he never used nigella seeds in his bread making. For someone like him who loved baking bread and had a great knowledge of cooking 100% he used nigella seed. There's no tin for coriander from those times, but i bet it was 100% available to buy. Just because there's no tin does not rule out a spice/herb. And you say poppy seed? but poppy seed taste nothing like nigella seed. Funny you mention that some people were wondering what some of the black specs were? because that wasn't my reason for discovering them. I simply thought they were black pepper and wanted to see how their pepper spec tasted, but instead tasted nigella. I never had any knowledge of people thinking the black specs were something else like poppy seed. |
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 25, 2024 14:16:00 GMT 1
Chickenman;
Please Read this Carefully
How could Have C.H.S. used Nigelle Seeds in 1930-1940 When It was Rarely Sold and unavailable at the Grocery Store ?
He could buy Poppy Seeds and Caraway Seed in 1930-1940 they were Common sold by Many Spice Companies
PLEASE find me a RARE Vintage 1930 Nigella Tin for Sale or a Advertisement for Nigella Seeds for sale from 1900- 1945 ? GOOD LUCK.
How can ANYONE use Nigella Seed in 1930's OH Please Find me a Recipe which used it from a Newspaper or Cook Book ? FROM the 1930-1950 ?
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Post by Chickenman on Mar 26, 2024 3:02:31 GMT 1
Chickenman; Please Read this Carefully How could Have C.H.S. used Nigelle Seeds in 1930-1940 When It was Rarely Sold and unavailable at the Grocery Store ? He could buy Poppy Seeds and Caraway Seed in 1930-1940 they were Common sold by Many Spice Companies PLEASE find me a RARE Vintage 1930 Nigella Tin for Sale or a Advertisement for Nigella Seeds for sale from 1900- 1945 ? GOOD LUCK. How can ANYONE use Nigella Seed in 1930's OH Please Find me a Recipe which used it from a Newspaper or Cook Book ? FROM the 1930-1950 ? You didn't answer my question. And so what spices/herbs are used in those bread recipes you have? i bet not even Caraway. How do you know that Nigella seed was not available to him? your reasoning for this is "oh there's no spice tin" but there's also no spice tin for coriander seed. You have no idea what herb/spices were available to him, or the suppliers he had and used. Just because there's no tin, doesn't mean he didn't have it available to him. |
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 26, 2024 14:02:36 GMT 1
Chickenman:
The only things that C.H.S. used for His most popular Bread was Wheat Bread
Corn Bread was a second
Rye bread was another Bread C.H.S. spoke about and we have recipes for.
The Spices and Herbs that C.H.S. used were from the grocery or Pharmacy Botanical
READ C.H.S. Articles and watch the Oldest Video or listen to the Radio interviews.
I started with Flour, Salt, Pepper, and added the spices herbs which his family liked first then added more items which complimented the chicken.
THERE are NO Spice Tins of Nigella on his counters in the Old Kitchen or at his Home and it was NOT sold in any amount until after 1945 and the Chicken recipe was made in 1939 with the last element after Moe Boat Trip Story which was M.S.G. two handfuls.
Nigella Seed was NOT on the List of Ingredients which C.H.S. asked People to have when cooking His recipes for the Chicken and side dishes.
You can use what you want and think it was used
Please Print a full recipe so everyone can try your recipe Maybe it will be better than everything else made. As for NEW AGE using it in regional cooking it may be used BUT as I said Please show a Old Tin which has Nigella Seed or a Botanical Box from 1930's
If I have NOT seen it and I have asked Major auctions if they have sold the vintage boxes in Auction when they say NO it means it was NOT available. I have list of the Spices Herbs and seeds that were advertised by EVERY major Company in the 20, 30, 40 and many of there cook books which they published from the TIME THEY DO NOT speak of Nigella or Coriander as a stand alone item THEY were not available until after the War and some not until the 50's
Use what You want in any recipe BUT it's NOT in C.H.S. side dishes and its not used in His cooking that is seen
If it works for You Great cook Away. Im sure many would like to try a recipe with Nigella Seed in in to seed Great results
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Post by Chickenman on Mar 28, 2024 2:11:47 GMT 1
Tbh, i'm over the Nigella seed. It is not that important anyway because the flavour that it brings is subtle, but at the same time when i tasted a single seed off turkish bread for the first time, my brain straight away associated that taste with kfc. So even tho the flavour is subtle, it still cemented that flavour into my brain, and my taste was spot on because i discovered it on the modern O.R.
If it weren't for the black vial that matches nigella seed perfectly, and the fact that they put it on vial C after B which can hint at "bc" "black cumin" then i wouldn't even care that much about it. Maybe the black vial and the "bc" is purely coincidence.
I have discovered the Nigella seed on another fast food tho, i discovered it also on dominoes bbq chicken pizza and they have larger specs of it on the bbq chicken pieces, so maybe just some common spice used by fast food for texture and cheap flavour.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 28, 2024 14:01:32 GMT 1
If it works for you then use it
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