Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 11:49:46 GMT 1
I wrote this piece some time back and it was posted on the kfc11 board. In light of a recent
post here that said Glen of "Glen and Friends" claimed the vials were fake. I felt obligated
to post this information here and give my official response to Glen's claim. Bullsh*t!
I know not everyone may agree with these finding, but there is evidence to back up every claim.
Including new information that was discovered shortly after I wrote this, it is included at
the end.
We all know that the vials piece was made in 1985 and it is said that it was never intended to
be shown to the public. But then in 2008, along comes Rodger Eaton. And he just had to show it
off, consequently we got some real good clues as to the 11 ingredients of the Original Recipe.
When we look at it we also get an idea as to why it is was never intended to be shown to the
public, I don't think it turned out as intended. Almost all of the contents appear to be in a
distressed state, and one even changed appearance. So much, that it baffled most everyone
until now.
Since most of the ingredients are documented in books or articles about conversations it was
fairly easy to match them up with their associated vial. Others took more diligence from the
community, and what was discovered was that all of the ingredients except for one are common
to poultry seasoning. That one ingredient may have very well started out as something
different that was common to poultry seasoning and as the recipe evolved in an effort to
create the perfect recipe weight, it was changed to something more accommodating.
Most can agree that vials A, F, G, J and K are Coriander, Ginger. White Pepper, Red Pepper and
Black Pepper respectively. For those that do not know, It is documented that the Colonel had
Marion-Kay blend the seasonings for his Canadian franchises and was sold under the name 99X.
That being said, Coriander is listed in the ingredients of 99X and unground Red Pepper flakes
were found in the contents of 99X. Ginger is documented in a conversation between the Colonel
and a franchise owner regarding the seasoning bags. White and Black Pepper are both listed on
early "KFC Seasoned Flour" sacks and 99X containers.
Vials B, D and I appear to contain the herbs. Sage is listed in the ingredients of 99X. The
Colonels secretary mentions Sage and Savory in an interview. And the Colonel himself also
mentions Savory in an early black and white TV commercial. The third herb has however been a
mystery because there is no documentation of it anywhere. If we take a look at the "BID" and
"herbs" photos below, we can see that there is a distinct color similarity between Savory and
vial B, and again between Sage and vial D. Thyme however, seems to be a closer match to vial I
than the bicolored Rosemary and Marjoram is far too dark.
The Colonels secretary interview @ 19:30
1967 KFC TV commercial
This leaves us with vials C, E and H. Garlic Powder is listed on the Original Recipe Seasoning
bags but doesn't appear to be in the vials, but it is. When these acrylic presentation pieces
are made, they cured at above 200°F for an extended period of hours. And we have all heard of
roasted or black garlic, the "garlic" photo below illustrates what happens to Garlic when
heated like this, it changes to about the color of coffee grounds. The appearance of the rest
of the herbs and spices remain unaffected other than showing some signs of stress.
No documentation exists for these last two, but everyone knows that KFC contains aromatic spices.
Most poultry seasonings contain aromatic spices of either Allspice, Nutmeg or both. And the
aromatic spices seem to be missing from 99X, which would account for the one ounce difference
in weight between a 25 ounce container of 99X and a 26 ounce bag of KFC seasoning. Due to some
great detective work it was determined that a combined measure of Allspice and Cloves could
make up that one ounce. If we look at the "CHE" and "spices" photos below we can see that the
blackened Garlic most closely resembles vial C, while Allspice resembles vial H and again the
Cloves more closely resembles the reddish brown contents of vial E.
As we can see, just like the Colonel said; These are all ingredients on everyone's shelves.
Additional information that came to light since I originally wrote this piece is as follows.
In 2011, a student at a Chinese University took a 100 gram sample of Original Recipe chicken
and did an "Analysis of Volatile Compounds of KFC Original Recipe Fried Chicken by
Simultaneous Distillation Extraction and Gas Chromatography-Mass Spectrometry". The result of
the analysis were published in a paper written in Chinese. Another fellow KFC researcher with
a background in chemistry was able to translate the document and summarize some of the data in
the analysis and 100% confirm the existence of certain compounds found in some of the
suspected, but previously unconfirmed ingredients.
These ingredients are: Allspice, Cloves and Thyme. In addition to this information it was
revealed that compounds from Chili Peppers which we knew to be in the recipe were indeed
present, but that there was no appreciable capsaicin content present. Indicating that the Red
Pepper is a very mild, lightly sweet variety, not hot.
So, we can conclude that these are the correct 11 ingredients. I don't know who Glen's sources
are, but I can tell you this; They are poking him in the eyes.
post here that said Glen of "Glen and Friends" claimed the vials were fake. I felt obligated
to post this information here and give my official response to Glen's claim. Bullsh*t!
I know not everyone may agree with these finding, but there is evidence to back up every claim.
Including new information that was discovered shortly after I wrote this, it is included at
the end.
We all know that the vials piece was made in 1985 and it is said that it was never intended to
be shown to the public. But then in 2008, along comes Rodger Eaton. And he just had to show it
off, consequently we got some real good clues as to the 11 ingredients of the Original Recipe.
When we look at it we also get an idea as to why it is was never intended to be shown to the
public, I don't think it turned out as intended. Almost all of the contents appear to be in a
distressed state, and one even changed appearance. So much, that it baffled most everyone
until now.
Since most of the ingredients are documented in books or articles about conversations it was
fairly easy to match them up with their associated vial. Others took more diligence from the
community, and what was discovered was that all of the ingredients except for one are common
to poultry seasoning. That one ingredient may have very well started out as something
different that was common to poultry seasoning and as the recipe evolved in an effort to
create the perfect recipe weight, it was changed to something more accommodating.
Most can agree that vials A, F, G, J and K are Coriander, Ginger. White Pepper, Red Pepper and
Black Pepper respectively. For those that do not know, It is documented that the Colonel had
Marion-Kay blend the seasonings for his Canadian franchises and was sold under the name 99X.
That being said, Coriander is listed in the ingredients of 99X and unground Red Pepper flakes
were found in the contents of 99X. Ginger is documented in a conversation between the Colonel
and a franchise owner regarding the seasoning bags. White and Black Pepper are both listed on
early "KFC Seasoned Flour" sacks and 99X containers.
Vials B, D and I appear to contain the herbs. Sage is listed in the ingredients of 99X. The
Colonels secretary mentions Sage and Savory in an interview. And the Colonel himself also
mentions Savory in an early black and white TV commercial. The third herb has however been a
mystery because there is no documentation of it anywhere. If we take a look at the "BID" and
"herbs" photos below, we can see that there is a distinct color similarity between Savory and
vial B, and again between Sage and vial D. Thyme however, seems to be a closer match to vial I
than the bicolored Rosemary and Marjoram is far too dark.
The Colonels secretary interview @ 19:30
1967 KFC TV commercial
This leaves us with vials C, E and H. Garlic Powder is listed on the Original Recipe Seasoning
bags but doesn't appear to be in the vials, but it is. When these acrylic presentation pieces
are made, they cured at above 200°F for an extended period of hours. And we have all heard of
roasted or black garlic, the "garlic" photo below illustrates what happens to Garlic when
heated like this, it changes to about the color of coffee grounds. The appearance of the rest
of the herbs and spices remain unaffected other than showing some signs of stress.
No documentation exists for these last two, but everyone knows that KFC contains aromatic spices.
Most poultry seasonings contain aromatic spices of either Allspice, Nutmeg or both. And the
aromatic spices seem to be missing from 99X, which would account for the one ounce difference
in weight between a 25 ounce container of 99X and a 26 ounce bag of KFC seasoning. Due to some
great detective work it was determined that a combined measure of Allspice and Cloves could
make up that one ounce. If we look at the "CHE" and "spices" photos below we can see that the
blackened Garlic most closely resembles vial C, while Allspice resembles vial H and again the
Cloves more closely resembles the reddish brown contents of vial E.
As we can see, just like the Colonel said; These are all ingredients on everyone's shelves.
Additional information that came to light since I originally wrote this piece is as follows.
In 2011, a student at a Chinese University took a 100 gram sample of Original Recipe chicken
and did an "Analysis of Volatile Compounds of KFC Original Recipe Fried Chicken by
Simultaneous Distillation Extraction and Gas Chromatography-Mass Spectrometry". The result of
the analysis were published in a paper written in Chinese. Another fellow KFC researcher with
a background in chemistry was able to translate the document and summarize some of the data in
the analysis and 100% confirm the existence of certain compounds found in some of the
suspected, but previously unconfirmed ingredients.
These ingredients are: Allspice, Cloves and Thyme. In addition to this information it was
revealed that compounds from Chili Peppers which we knew to be in the recipe were indeed
present, but that there was no appreciable capsaicin content present. Indicating that the Red
Pepper is a very mild, lightly sweet variety, not hot.
So, we can conclude that these are the correct 11 ingredients. I don't know who Glen's sources
are, but I can tell you this; They are poking him in the eyes.