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Post by Silver on Jan 27, 2023 20:55:18 GMT 1
Ground Rules of the game: Let's keep this scaled with reference to 200 grams of flour. And maintain an end game of cloning KFC OR.
Candidate #1 ----------------- 1.25g. Allspice
Candidate #2 ------------------ 0.25g. Clove
0.20g. Nutmeg
0.20g. Mace
Between candidate #1 and Candidate #2, pick the winner.
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Post by kaweempo on Jan 27, 2023 22:07:33 GMT 1
number 2 i guess .
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jan 27, 2023 23:05:22 GMT 1
Number 3 ALL OF THE ABOVE
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jan 27, 2023 23:06:37 GMT 1
we use number 1 for Convince
Number 2 has MORE Depth typically from experience
NUMBER 2
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Post by flg on Jan 27, 2023 23:26:07 GMT 1
I don't see them as substitutions.
Traditionally a "clone" of allspice would be Cinnamon, Nutmeg and Clove, tad bit of pepper.
Perhaps: (Allspice and Mace) or (Cinnamon, Clove, Nutmeg) and Mace))
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Post by Silver on Jan 28, 2023 12:54:18 GMT 1
The way this game must be played is to cook otherwise identical recipes sans for one containing candidate #1, and the other containing candidate #2. Each recipe can not contain any quantities of the opposite candidate components.
If we all work together, and work openly, rather than all of us living on our own hidden planet, the recipe will get cracked.
Logically there must be only one substitution candidate choice evaluated at a time.
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Post by Silver on Jan 28, 2023 13:01:14 GMT 1
The reason why 1.25 grams of Allspice was chosen is because Allspice contains (on average) about 5 times less 'Eugenol Oil' (by weight) than does Clove. 0.25 grams of Clove x 5 = 1.25 grams of Allspice. Allspice is variously said to additionally deliver flavors (in addition to Clove) "similar to" (whereby, critically perhaps, the oils are not identical to) the likes of Nutmeg, Mace, and Cinnamon, with some claiming a hint of Pepper as well.
Edit: 89% of the oil extracted from Clove is (nominally) pure 'Eugenol', and 5% to 15% is Eugenol Acetate. Clove is a Eugenol machine.
NOTE: When you taste herbs and spices what you are actually tasting is pretty much exclusively their oils. This is why all herbs and spices can be replaced by what is referred to as 'oleoresin extracts'.
Edit #2: Clove is said to contain ~180,000 ppm (parts per million parts by weight) Eugenol, whereas Allspice is said to contain ~36,000 ppm Eugenol. Within every gram of Clove there are 0.18 grams of Eugenol. Within every gram of Allspice there are 0.036 grams of Eugenol.
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Post by Silver on Jan 28, 2023 13:34:39 GMT 1
Merely wildly speculating here, but if any/all 'clone' companies were forbidden by court order from using Clove, Nutmeg, Mace, and Cinnamon, then the only logical alternative would be to turn to Allspice, and lot's of it. Is it any wonder that Allspice is likely to be found in nigh-on all of the commercial clones? Grace's recipe contains only 8 H&S ingredients (per Glen and Friends Cooking, KFC episode #10). And the foremost of these (post B&W Pepper) is Allspice. Remove Allspice and you have 7 H&S ingredients. Then add in Clove, Nutmeg, Mace, and Cinnamon, and bingo, 11 H&S ingredients. Coincidence? Only you can decide...
Edit: Grace's recipe (as per Glen) contains no Clove, Nutmeg, Mace, and Cinnamon. And neither does Ledington's (Claudia Sanders?) recipe. Etc...
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Post by Silver on Jan 28, 2023 13:44:50 GMT 1
The main 'potential' problem I see with Allspice is that although it can get the Eugenol oil content correct, it is unlikely to simultaneously get the Clove, Nutmeg, Mace, and Cinnamon oils content correct.
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Post by Silver on Jan 28, 2023 13:55:28 GMT 1
To be fair to Clove, Nutmeg, Mace, and Cinnamon, Candidate #2 should be revised to become:
Candidate #2
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0.25g. Clove
0.20g. Nutmeg
0.20g. Mace
0.10g. Cinnamon
Wherein the Cinnamon's (to be evaluated separately) are Cassia and Ceylon...
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