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Post by Silver on Sept 23, 2022 16:16:43 GMT 1
After mulling over admittedly scant and highly variable data my current thinking as to licorice is that relative licorice equivalence is to be achieved at this ratio by weight:
1 gram Star-Anise = 2.5 grams Aniseed (Anise Seed) = 5 grams Fennel Seed
Since for recipes built upon 200 grams of flour my preference is to add 0.5 grams of Aniseed (Anise Seed), nominal equivalence would require:
0.2 grams Star Anise
0.5 grams Aniseed (Anise Seed)
1.0 grams Fennel Seed
Any of these three additions should deliver roughly the same 'by weight' quantity of Trans-Anethole.
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Post by Silver on Sept 24, 2022 13:05:21 GMT 1
It should almost go without need of saying that the data uncovered for this ratio relationship determination was so scant and scattered and confusing to interpret and unify that the error bars for my above ratio values must be accepted as huge, and the presence of bias and data cherry picking within my finally chosen nicely rounded numbers should be rather obvious to all.
Edit: Just clearing my conscience here... I would like to hear others presumption as to what these relational licorice equivalence ratios should look like.
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Post by Silver on Sept 24, 2022 13:39:11 GMT 1
The method as I see it involves:
1st: Establish how many grams of oil can be squeezed from 100 grams of seeds (or seeds plus pods for the case ofStar Anise).
2nd: Establish the average by weight percentage of this oil that is pure Trans-Anethole oil.
As to #2 I settled upon:
Aniseed oil ~= 95% by weight Trans-Anethole (+/- ~2%)
Star Anise oil ~= 84% by weight Trans-Anethole (+/- ~4%)
Fennel Seed Oil ~= 65% by weight Trans-Anethole (with wildly variable data values spanning from ~40% to ~80% seen within the data)
As to #1, discovering reliable values for this data is proving to be the most difficult task of all:
Aniseed oil yield ~= 2.7% by weight of seeds (first cutting), and ~3.0% by weight of seeds (second cutting) [for an average crops oil yield of ~2.85%?]
Domestic Fennel Seed oil yield ~= 2.1% by weight of seeds (with some wild seeds yielding values ranging as high as 3.7%, but wild is not what you will buy)
Star Anise oil yield ~= ? by weight of seeds plus pods (I've seen numbers from as low as ~2.7% to as high as ~20% here)
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Post by Silver on Sept 24, 2022 13:46:22 GMT 1
The annual world crop tonnage of Star-Anise dwarfs that of the other two combined by a wide margin. And by far the vast majority of Trans-Anethole rich "essential oil" is derived from Star-Anise. This seems to provide a 'potential' clue that the % by weight oil yield for Star-Anise is much greater than for the other two.
If the % by weight of oil within Star Anise is actually as high as 20% then the 0.2 grams figure which I chose above would turn into less than 0.1 grams.
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Post by Silver on Sept 24, 2022 14:37:43 GMT 1
And if the % by weight of oil in Star Anise is actually 20% then the nominal licorice (Trans-Anethole) equivalence relationship becomes:
1 gram Star-Anise ~= 6.25 grams Aniseed (Anise Seed) ~= 12.50 grams Fennel Seed
Edit: Somehow I find this to be extreme and beyond belief.
I'm only grudgingly willing to consider going about as high as:
1 gram Star-Anise ~= 3.33 grams Aniseed (Anise Seed) ~= 6.67 grams Fennel Seed
But of such is my bias!
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Post by Silver on Sept 24, 2022 14:55:40 GMT 1
Summing up my bias:
Bias Low: 1 gram Star-Anise ~= 2.5 grams Aniseed (Anise Seed) ~= 5 grams Fennel Seed
Bias High: 1 gram Star-Anise ~= 3.33 grams Aniseed (Anise Seed) = 6.67 grams Fennel Seed
Bias Average: 1 gram Star-Anise = 2.92 grams Aniseed (Anise Seed) = 5.84 grams Fennel Seed
Which rounds for ease of remembering to:
1 gram Star-Anise ~= 3 grams Aniseed (Anise Seed) ~= 6 grams Fennel Seed
Again with wild +/- error bars...
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Post by smallgree on Sept 24, 2022 17:04:14 GMT 1
When I was a kid, I never heard of star anise.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Sept 24, 2022 17:08:34 GMT 1
Star Anise is one of the less know ingredients for a long time BUT been used more and more by many people it has a Great Flavor.
its a Great Item can be used in many dishes if you like the Flavor But some people Don't like the flavor each to there own taste.
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Post by Silver on Sept 24, 2022 17:17:52 GMT 1
When I was a kid, I never heard of star anise. Agreed! I never heard of it until I saw it in Ken's recipes. I could be mistaken here, but I don't believe that Glen and Friends Cooking ever mentioned it in any of their KFC videos. |
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Post by smallgree on Sept 24, 2022 23:53:55 GMT 1
I'm not arguing about the integrity of star anise as a spice, I'm only saying that I never heard of it when I was young. That in of itself is as valid as some information relied upon on TCK which served as the basis for many of the "guaranteed herbs and spices", or whatever they called them. For example, a relative said that CHS's mother told him that sage and savory were good for chicken. At TCK it became proof. In my book, I could tear that assumption apart. "Lies. Just a common statement made to indicate how CHS's learning process began. Remember, Dave Thomas said it wasn't the recipe that stood out, but the actual use of ingredients other than salt and pepper. He said that people had never tasted seasoned chicken like KFC. Wrong. Misleading. Just an opinion. Hearsay from someone in which all of the above factors could still be applied".
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