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Post by deepfriednew101 on Apr 22, 2024 12:29:57 GMT 1
when your referencing NEW AGE KFC seasoning bags since the 80's Extracts and Salt Carrier have been used.
Prior to the 80's NEW AGE KFC used multiple lower inferior Products and used similar like Herbs as replacement for the Real 11 Spices and Herbs.
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Post by smallgree on Apr 23, 2024 1:51:02 GMT 1
I'm sitting here looking at a small bottle of brownish liquid, with pepper particles on the bottom. I can verify the the liquid is only salty water. If there is any spice or herb in the mix, then it escapes my old tongue.
My last recipe was good, and kept it's flavor for two days. Can't say any longer because I've already eaten all of the livers.
I'm at a crucial point. I really need to know when the "11 HS, or SH" phrase was first used. And I don't mean CHS or KFC stating on some future date that the phrase was used at some time in the past. Hind sight is not a reliable piece of information for my purposes.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Apr 23, 2024 13:40:17 GMT 1
The Phrase 11 Spices and Herbs became a Staple CHS Used When the Good Living Book Duncan Heinz Did a review of the Sanders Court and Cafe.
Prior to That C.H.S usually Used the Term The Colonel Secret Seasoning
C.H.S. Gave a news paper and radio Reporter the information above at the Grand Opening of a Alberta Franchise
There was no real advertisement for KFC until after Leon Pete Harmon Started his location any Old Reference in print was from the locations who Started before Leon Pete Harmons and the Fried Chicken was a Add On Menu Item which indicated CHS Fried chicken with No real reference of the 11 Spices and herbs
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Post by smallgree on Apr 23, 2024 20:04:22 GMT 1
I'd like to see these articles, or interviews. I'd like to see some type of advertising, or document that mentioned the phrase. What I suspect is that along the way, the concept of 11 Ss&Hs materialized as a PR tool, and CHS and KFC pundits, backtracked with their pronouncements to indicate that the "11" was always a "thing". Of course lawyers made the claims they needed to prove that the phrase deserved copyright status. I do know that KFC failed to refile "finger licking good" as a copyrighted phrase and has been putting in the time to regain that status for the phrase. I guess I need to re-research vintage advertising to see if I can discover the use of the phrase. It is important to me, and hearsay doesn't cut the mustard.
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Post by smallgree on Apr 24, 2024 4:29:43 GMT 1
I've been researching the origin of the phrase "11 Ss&Hs", and will get into that later. What I want to throw out to everybody is what I've seen on the Tennessee Ernie Ford Show, where CHS cooked chicken for him and Minnie Pearl. I will make these observations, then let everyone have it (that is if anyone is still in the game).
When I first saw the video, I was under the impression that it was filmed in 1965. I swear I read it in the captions. Only one original can be found now, as most of the internet videos of this show are edited.
At the beginning of the show, TEF brags on CHS because he became a millionaire with his fried chicken. The video now is captioned, April, 1962. But CHS didn't become a millionaire (assuming he wasn't already one) until 1964.
During this show, TEF and CHS discuss that CHS had franchises in Canada, and in Tokyo. The problem with this conversation is that Tokyo got their first franchise in 1970. Negotiations had been under consideration for four years, which would mean the communications concerning the upcoming enterprise in Tokyo didn't begin until 1965-1966.
During the show, CHS bragged about the 11 different spices and herbs in his seasoning mix. But was this before the KFC Corp, or after? Is KFC, and "AI" good enough to have altered the timeline of this video, and if so, Why?
I have watched "What's My Line" and "To Tell The Truth". They are purportedly from 1963, and the 11 Spices and Herbs are discussed. Again, my understanding is that it was the KFC Corp that convinced CHS to appear on these television shows.
I guess I can make heads or tails out of this information if I could discover the year that CHS's likeness was first displayed all over the World, as CHS commented about.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Apr 24, 2024 14:04:17 GMT 1
when the Colonels kitchen was on Stream
I posted links to the info above. When I'm Done My Business trip i will try and find all the Old links again which All go back to the 1960's
The main point is that C.H.S. Called it 11 Spices and Herbs Before the Brown and Massey Era.
C.H.S. Being a lawyer would have Followed the Laws of 1905 FDA and went with protocol that Spices were More than Herbs and Listed it and Called it 11 Spices and Erbs (Herbs)
Alphabet preference was Later in the years as a Preference to List items of Spices which were of the same value. BUT if they were ONLY listing the WORDS to describe the Items amounts were NOT a factor and they listed as Herb and Spices the alphabet reference which outcast which had more items as Priority.
C.H.S. once mentioned than the Corporate liked the saying Herbs and Spices over Spices and Herbs ?
By the 1970's C.H.S. often said that Corporate Paraded Him around like a Prize Bull at a Country Fair.
You will NOT find any Major advertisement of the Kentucky Fried Chicken until after Leon Pete Harmon started Promoting the Kentucky Fried Chicken.
When you View the Vials if you believe in the Vials Do you count 6 Spices and 5 Herbs or 6 Herbs and 5 Spices ?
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Post by Silver on Apr 24, 2024 19:45:15 GMT 1
8 spices and 3 herbs for the vials. Only 3 vials can be coaxed to hint green, no matter how hard I try to manipulate the image(s). Herbs are green.
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Post by smallgree on Apr 24, 2024 19:51:36 GMT 1
The oldest "ads" involving KFC and the "11" I have found are from 1967. Most adds used the phrase "finger licking good". All ads from the 50's through 1964 used the phrases "Colonel Sander's Recipe", or Colonel Sander's Exclusive recipe". Even through 1970, Finger Licking Good was the dominant phrase, with the "11" used sparingly from 1967 through the late 1970s. This is why it is strange to see CHS boasting about the "11" in 1962.
It is the key. KFC has promoted: 11 herbs and spices (it was spices and herbs); shown 11 vials in 1985 (I believe this date is correct); promoted the idea that there are 6 herbs and 5 spices.
So...... Is there a conscious attempt to direct replicators towards only 11 ingredients.......Are they directing us towards the new OR recipe.......Are they openly showing their hand thinking we will not accept evidence in plain sight and continue our blind quests?
It matters if CHS ever promoted the "11" concept on his own, or as a company policy, as he was the spokesman. The only times I watched CHS utter the "11" phrase was when he was spokesman for KFC Corporation.........Except for TEF, which now has an overlay on the video claiming April, 1962.
Are there only 11, or are there more? Is KFC trying to convince us there are only 11? Did CHS indicate there were only 11 (Shelton), or more than 11? Proof.
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Post by smallgree on Apr 25, 2024 1:51:33 GMT 1
I have two tasty recipes (still without a pressure cooker), not counting msg, one is a total of 19 ingredients, and one is 11 ingredients. I can't go on until I settle this question of whether there were just 11 in the OR, or if the 11 were added to a basic recipe. If I am alone trying to solve this problem, then I guess the fat lady is singing.
The basic idea, if the vials are to be believed or not, is that fenugreek, ginger, garlic, onion, mustard, sesame, bouillon, white pepper, etc., all cannot be in the the 11 vials. If there are only 11 ingredients in the OR, then some shuffling must be done. If all or most of these are in the OR, then just what were the "11" supposed to be?
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Apr 25, 2024 14:20:30 GMT 1
I will Stat this again
The vegetables Celery, Garlic, onion ARE NOT part of the 11 Spices and herbs
There are 11 Secret Ingredients as a Base to the Recipe and the Vegetables and other items are outside the 11 secret item's
17 ingredient's are required to make the Original recipe which includes the 11 Secret Spices and Herbs
Salt, Pepper, were Originally used which C.H.S. said He added 11 Spices and Herbs to the Flour
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