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Post by flg on May 10, 2023 17:51:44 GMT 1
The ends of the bones were soft and could be easily chewed away I can remember this as well oddly. Specially on legs
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Post by smallgree on May 13, 2023 19:13:13 GMT 1
The 11 Vials: All drying and grinding was amateurishly done, either by carelessness, or by design to mislead. You decide.
A - Oregano B - Thyme C - Purple basil (to obscure) D - Rosemary E - Parsley (oxidized, to obscure) F - Ginger G - White pepper H - Catsup/ketchup spice I - Sage J - BBQ spice K - Black pepper
20 - Italian seasoning, or 6 herbs (what became Italian was simply what they routinely used. All are standard in sausage making). 13 - Ginger 10 - Spices (Catsup spice and BBQ spice) 57 - White pepper, black pepper and msg.
That makes 12. Anyway you cut, slice, or dice it, CHS said that he "threw in two handfuls" when he had "11", then along the way he changed it to "10". This was marketing. ______________________________________________________________________________
20 -------- 20 ----------- 57 17 --------
20 -------- 13 ----------- 43, trade secret 10 --------
Legal ingredient list from the 1970s. ________________________________________________________________________________
When CHS gave his recipe to Shelton, the salt was already known, as it came in a separate container. The only unknown was the "11 Hs&Ss".
Let me emphasize again. If your mix seems "pretty darn close" to today's KFC, then you are farting against the wind. I completely block it out. Maybe we ought to have a poll to determine who actually remembers what the "old" KFC tasted like.
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Post by flg on May 13, 2023 19:20:38 GMT 1
I agree. I don’t believe CHS included the salt in the 11 he gave Winston. Or the MSG for that matter
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Post by deepfriednew101 on May 14, 2023 2:43:36 GMT 1
Salt & M.S.G. are NOT part of the 11 Herbs and Spice in the Winston S story.
It's NOT in the Tommy S recipe either.
Do Not see Salt or M.S.G. in C.H.S. Hand Writing as part of the 11 Herbs and Spices. Salt is list BUT not as the 11 Items
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Post by smallgree on May 14, 2023 7:04:40 GMT 1
CHS did not create the 11 vials my friend. It is what it is. Salt and msg are a part of the OR, regardless of the number you are fixated upon. Let me express this one more time. If you don't know what is in it (with proof), then you don't know what is not in it. There is no correlation whatsoever between these manufactured vials and any theory about the OR. If they put pig snot in those vials, it doesn't prove one way or another whether salt and/or msg was in some mystical flavor blend numbering "11". If I venture to maintain that these ingredients I selected are in the OR, then what argument can you make that they aren't? You see, whether salt, msg or pepper are in the OR, or not, is not dependent upon how you count them. I don't believe for one second that you have any "non-hearsay" proof that CHS indicated that pepper, or any other ingredient, was in, or not in the OR.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on May 14, 2023 13:19:04 GMT 1
McCormick created the Vials as a commemorative Item for the 100 Anniversary for what would have been C.H.S. 100 Birthday
Brian B Photo shot the event, who says he cannot sell any other photo's of the event which he has ? Including more photo's of the Vials ? Apparently They Photo's are copy write protected to contact of the commissioning agent ? Multiple telephone contacts have been attempted to Brain BUT only return E-mails come from his end. E-mails to obtain a Purchase price for the Photo's and a estimate for the Photo's have NOT been received so without a Purchase Price one cannot Purchase it ?
Willie Think about what you just Typed from a Legal Aspect ? "You see, whether salt, msg or pepper are in the OR, or not, is not dependent upon how you count them."
Think about this FOR REAL ... It does matter the Count of the items when you are adding the Wrong items into a Set amount for a recipe and if you Do not add the specific ingredient into the recipe because you added Salt, M.S.G. and Pepper into a count and then miss the opportunity for the KEY ingredient because you ran out of spots to fit the 11 items
25 interviews C.H.S. Gave in Canada from 1965 to 1977 He maintained He started with Flour, Salt, Pepper then added the 11 Herbs and Spices.
Here is the Question that ALL FOOLS ASSUME ?
How could McCormick make a accurate Vial set for a commemorative event while NEW AGE KFC chirping that TWO different spice companies were used to make the Spice Blend ?
How could McCormick Put the Proper Spice in the Vials when they DID NOT hold the Licensing Agreement and or excusive right to distribute or sell, or advertise that Item? Did they use a STAND IN FOR that item or Items in the Photo Shoot?
The Problem So many People have is THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO USE A TELEPHONE. When the Vials came out originally NONE of YOU contacted the parties involved with the making of the Vials and asked questions ? NONE you know who were directly involved in making the Vials, NONE of YOU Have contacted Brian B or attempted to obtain more photo with the exception of 2 or 3 other interest Parties, from News papers.
WHAT is EVEN the MOST FUNNY thing is EVERYONE WANTS information supplied BUT THEY WILL NOT PICK UP A TELEPHONE or SUPPLY A CONTACT TO OBTAIN INFORMATION.
FURTHER MORE I HAVE GAVE YOU WILLIE THE OPERTUNITY TO ACT AS LEGAL REPRESENTATION FOR THE HAND WRITTEN C.H.S. Chicken Recipe - Which you turned down because you are Semi-Retired and Busy. Which one has to respect.
WHAT is EVEN MORE INTERESTING is ONLY ONE Party has signed a NON DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT to see the Hand Written Recipe and They have seen the Documents.
I WILL SAY THIS MUCH
The Recipe works OUT as Winston S described 100 Grams with the Correct Spices and Herbs in the Proper Grind - SALT AND M.S.G. are NOT part of the 11 Secret Herbs and Spices. THE vials Color match the Hand Written C.H.S. Chicken Recipe, and Garlic, and Onion are NOT in the Recipe BUT have similar color to OTHER Herbs and Spice items which ARE IN the recipe.
HERESAY or WHAT you want to Think. I DO NOT CARE
JUST TRYIG TO GIVE TIPS TO HELP ! Do AS YOU MAY WITH THE TIPS
but crying about NOT receiving information when YOU will NOT Provide a Contact number or E-mail address to obtain information and excuses WHY you will NOY provide them is a JOKE.
I had to make Telephone Calls to Obtain the information and get the Documents it was NOT by saying just send me the stuff LMAO. It took 100's of Phone Calls and is still taking Calls for verification of ALL ITEMS.
What's even more Frustrating is the Time it take for the Verification Companies to do there Job, BUT they take payment up front ?
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Post by Silver on May 14, 2023 13:50:10 GMT 1
How much Flour, Salt, MSG, and B&W Pepper are required to go along with Winston Shelton (specifically in grams for each), since these 5 items are not counted among the 100 grams? If you can't give a straight answer you're going on ignore as merely a hindrance to progress.
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Post by flg on May 14, 2023 14:07:58 GMT 1
I don't believe for a minute that B&W Pepper were not in the 100g recipe given to Winston. I know Silver and I have a difference of opinion on the MSG and Extra Salt. But I draw the line at the pepper being excluded!
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Post by smallgree on May 14, 2023 17:36:38 GMT 1
Proof, proof, proof?
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Post by flg on May 14, 2023 18:55:04 GMT 1
If anyone had proof this whole thing would be over. What my working theory is… Winston was not given the OR recipe. He was given a Marion Kay derivative. That did contain 11 ingredients. Plus MSG and the extra salt. I think it’s entirely possible the OR recipe is MSG, Salt, Pepper plus 11 herbs and spices. I believe the confusion exists because there isn’t one recipe that fits all the stories. Check the timeline when he gave out the recipe to Winston. Look at when corporate went hard against MK for distribution to the Canadian KFC’s Again my theory only!!
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