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Post by deepfriednew101 on Aug 2, 2024 14:23:07 GMT 1
Find me a chili powder that's made commercially that ONLY has chili peppers
They all have there secret blends
Try making a chilli with KFC seasoning and add chili peppers
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Post by smallgree on Aug 2, 2024 21:59:05 GMT 1
Originally I didn't buy prepared mixes because they contained silica sand dust. Now most mixes and sauces contain guar and xanthan gums, which I despise. I buy whole, and prepare my own. I have copycat recipes for about everything under the Sun. The most difficult one has been KFC, due to the enormous amounts of historical misinformation. Original McDonald's french fries are delicious, but takes an act of God to prepare and cook. No wonder they changed the procedure. And yes, beef bouillon is used.
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Post by smallgree on Aug 4, 2024 4:12:54 GMT 1
I took the leftover "chili seasoning" flour and added one tsp ginger and 1/2 tsp cumin. I deep fat fried four wingettes that I had previously brined, and froze. The flavor really came alive. It was easy to notice ingredients I usually use that were missing, such as sage, marjoram, rosemary, savory, thyme and basil, or Italian seasoning, if you will. That will lead into the next recipe I have mixed, that has five spices and six, count them, six herbs (not particularly these mentioned). I think I'm going to find that the basic flavor of original KFC was herbs. That explains why CHS's daughter blurted out to reporters when they were trying to discover the ingredients that THERE WEREN'T MANY HERBS IN THE ORIGINAL RECIPE. "Move along, nothing to see here".
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Post by smallgree on Aug 5, 2024 22:18:27 GMT 1
My progress. And I will welcome comments.
I've often created the note with "willy nilly" techniques, mixing, matching, combining, and downright drunken recklessness, never to create it again. This time I've kept a record.
1) I took mostly my chili seasoning ingredients and developed a chicken recipe. 26g seasoning, 24g fine salt, for 160g pastry flour. I used a combination dry and wet brining with toasted black pepper and kosher salt, and brined the flavorless chicken for three days. I let the chicken openly dry in the refrigerator for at least 24 hours. Then I individually wrapped each piece in plastic wrap and froze. I would thaw out a certain amount of chicken, and prepare it and cook it in a cast iron skillet, or a cast iron Dutch oven, in flavored corn oil. I reduced the amount of cumin I use for chili, and cooked my first batch. Good chicken.
2) Days later, I added 1/2 tsp cumin and 1 tsp ginger to the leftover flour, and repeated the process with the next batch of chicken. This chicken was much better, but lacked the "bite" I'm always looking for. I decided to add some Italian seasoning, savory and caraway seeds to the same left over flour. I opened the lid to the flour, and was struck with what I describe as a mutated smell. After sitting for days, the flavors had melded resulting with a much stronger smell. It was very early KFC like.
3) I added the new ingredients and will be cooking later after the chicken thaws. There are points to consider in what I have posted that I will ponder, and certain rules to apply. I hope this is helpful in some way.
I will need to save some of the flour left to see if melding is really an integral part of developing the note. I always supported melding because of the expiration dates on the bags of hermetically sealed KFC seasoning bags. That shows, in my mind, that the flavors do develop with age, one way or another. Sit too long and the powerful elements may overshadow the more delicate ones.
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Post by smallgree on Aug 6, 2024 4:29:56 GMT 1
Just fried wingettes, which are resting. The questions that will be answered are: Italian style herbs? Cumin in conjunction with ginger? Caraway seeds? I'll cook with the remaining flour Wednesday to determine if the seasoned flour needs to meld.
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Post by smallgree on Aug 6, 2024 6:43:31 GMT 1
Great chicken. I wish I could still pressure fry. I wish I had a piece of 1959 KFC chicken to try to fine tune which ingredients need to go up, and which need to go down. I'm leaning towards believing that the Shelton story was fake. KFC did butter his bread.
I did finally get some whole white peppercorns today, so the race is on.
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Post by smallgree on Aug 6, 2024 22:48:44 GMT 1
I'm cooking again today. I can't seem to get to the second day test because I keep eating all of the chicken. I am running many tests trying to confirm, or reject certain elements. I'm still liking what cumin does to a blend, but I am testing some other elements such as caraway seeds today, and anise seeds later. The last ingredient I want to try is curry leaves. The story of this plant would prove how it might have been used, then discarded. It is produced in the USA, and was imported earlier. I will save the analysis for later. I may never get to it. There is one combo I like, but I have one green vial left over. With this scheme, it either has to be green ginger, or some other unknown green herb. This is tough because I don't see but two green vials with known herbs in this lineup, unless it is as I've described.
Just because I'm using certain ingredients now, doesn't mean I haven't used them and many others before. I work on combinations. I mix and match. I have always been critical of people who get sold on a group of ingredients and adjust the same ones, up and down, over and over, trying to find that elusive note. I have tried everything, in every combination that I have envisioned. After many experiments, I have list of ingredients I like. I just have to fit them into the standards, such as the 1970s seasoning bag, Winston Shelton's info, and the 11 Vials.
KFC issued a statement years ago that has always stuck with me. "People would be surprised at some of the ingredients in the OR".
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Post by smallgree on Aug 7, 2024 16:43:11 GMT 1
I'm inching closer. The best I've fried. Now that I finally got my white pepper corns (my daughter bought them because I won't buy online), I can backtrack and not use the store bought white pepper chaff I've been using. I like caraway seeds as they do not overpower, but this is all preliminary. What I should do, and I might later, is find my old Sexton dominated recipes and post them. But that might be seen as mockery. Right now, many are guessing at the Sexton formula and adding all types of licorice tasting herbs and spices, thinking they are on top of finding the OR. This time next year, if anyone is still around, they will still be arguing whether they should be using .15g, .25g, .5g, 1.0g, 1.5g, etc., of this or that.
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Post by smallgree on Aug 9, 2024 4:22:32 GMT 1
I'm going to start taking a hard look at rosemary.
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Post by smallgree on Aug 13, 2024 21:11:56 GMT 1
I've finished my experiments with the chili seasoning mix, and the later additions of ginger and more cumin. I felt that something like a rosemary and/or oregano blend was needed. For some reason, I didn't consider anymore "spice".
I'm beginning on my herb dominant mix, which will be followed by a blend of the chili and herb mixes.
Everything has been quite tasty. In the past I've used blends that had off tastes and ended up being tossed.
I'm grappling with the practice by most when they feel something is needed. They always add spices. I'm curious why herbs have always been on the back burner. I've maintained many times that there are two camps as to seasoning color. I've read that it was "reddish", and I've read that it was "greenish". One view must be false, and there is no guarantee that both aren't false.
My pepper extract has evaporated to the consistency of dried shoe polish. it will be bone dry within a week, hopefully. It is dark brown and quite hot.
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