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Post by spicydonut on Jun 27, 2024 19:09:43 GMT 1
Hi guys, after countless trials I gave up. An imitation pepper is what Colonel Sanders used back then. Essential oils are very potent. I ordered Sausage Mcmuffin this morning and I could taste very STRONGLY the Rosemary. Upon checking, Mcdonalds is using a "Rosemary Extract". All the recipes here taste the same. None of us can replicate KFC's "peppery note". According to Winston Shelton (Colonel's friend) what gives KFC's after taste is Tellicherry pepper. A Tellicherry oil extract blended to a cereal grain is the secret. I also noticed the little crumbs in KFC's crust they might be the cereals grains. I'm moving on. What a journey. Au revoir! Till we all meet again! Popeyes here I come!
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Post by smallgree on Jun 28, 2024 1:58:40 GMT 1
Nobody has ever believed this, and I have tried to propose it. Thanks.
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Post by Silver on Jun 28, 2024 10:16:23 GMT 1
Nobody has ever believed this, and I have tried to propose it. Thanks. I think most believe the pepper to be an extract, but none of us have retail access to it.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jun 28, 2024 14:04:12 GMT 1
Silver are You need to investigate you local community or a Farmers Market, Pepper Extract is available From Many places even Young Living Essential Oils has it
The Issue is the COST it's $65.00 a Ounce
McDonald also used Rosemary Extract in the McRib's
Rosemary Extract is also a Huge cost $ 70.00 for a small Bottle
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Post by smallgree on Jun 28, 2024 17:25:53 GMT 1
I've pushed Pepperall for many years, but alas, the view now is that only Grace's and a few additions will get you the note. KFC must be happy with the direction things have gone. I have powdered pepper extract I made, but it takes awhile. But I wanted to get the other items correct first before I used it up.
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Post by smallgree on Jun 30, 2024 23:44:56 GMT 1
I just cooked some boneless, skinless chicken thigh strips. Really delicious. This recipe is top notch, but I must weigh it against my memory, and take into account that I used a cast iron skillet, with seasoned corn oil, at low temperatures. When I removed the strips from the seasoned flour, I could smell them across the kitchen. A few more tests to run, I think, to either add, or eliminate toasted sesame seeds, or anise.
I will be making some more pepper extract powder to see if it was the ingredient thrown in, but that will take a few weeks. Glen, was all a con, but he made no pretenses, which is how it works.
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Post by cman on Jul 1, 2024 11:52:17 GMT 1
Smallgree, is there a link to making black pepper extract? Why does it take a long time to make it? Or, could you share your method? I’m curious to see why the aroma increases with the extraction of piperal.
One idea that I have regarding the use of white pepper is that it is for a cosmetic reason. Adding white pepper is only necessary to prevent the cooked chicken from becoming too dark when adding too much black pepper to achieve a certain taste.
So, perhaps the white pepper amount needs to get bumped more.
On a side note, coriander is out for me. It leads the small of black pepper to a different direction.
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Post by smallgree on Jul 1, 2024 20:09:46 GMT 1
I have a guide that explains one way, but I also researched how to make tincture out of marijuana. You must decarboxylate the pot first, but that step is not necessary with black pepper.
With pepper, crush, or grind the pepper, or just buy a tin of it, and take a pint of 190 proof alcohol, and put both in the freezer for at least 8 hours. Put both into a pint or quart jar and return to freezer. Shake vigorously at least twice a day for up to two weeks. The darker the mixture, the better. When done, strain mix through cheese cloth. You will lose some of the oils in the cloth, so I brush off the cheese cloth and soak again in a little more alcohol. This isn't critical. Set the mix in a dark place and allow the alcohol to evaporate. Towards the end, add corn starch (the amount of powder you are shooting for) and poor into a glass plate, covered if possible. When totally dried, mash with a fine grained pestle and mortar. You have pepper extract powder. It is strong, so know how much pepper you are using to know the power of your extract. The following procedure was copied from the net. It is primarily for aromatics.
Making Powdered Extracts
Alcohol and water (tincturing) remove the more stimulating properties of herbs (resins, etc.). These are most effective for moving and directing the energy of the body (specifics, stimulants). They are best when taken in 10-day cycles with a 3-day break between to relieve symptoms, reduce pathogenic heat, and stimulate body processes.
Hot water breaks down cell walls and extracts the more tonic principals (minerals, giant-molecular-weight sugar molecules—polysaccharides; protein-bound polysaccharides, etc.). These are useful for long-term (3-9 months or longer) strengthening of the immune system, adrenal and hormonal system, nervous system, blood system, and other parts of the body. For long-term use, herbal preparations that don’t contain alcohol can be an advantage, especially for people who aren’t used to consuming alcohol or prefer not to.
Directions for Making Powdered Extracts
1. Place the herbs in a large pot in the ratio of 1 part herbs (by weight) to 10 parts of water (by volume). 2. Simmer for 2-4 hours, until a dark, strong tea is created; let cool until warm. 3. Remove 4/5 or all (if a stronger extract is desired) of the boiled herbs, press all the water out of them that is possible; add this water back into the pot with the original tea. 4. Compost the marc (spent herb). 5. Start simmering the tea with the 1/5 marc left in the pot; simmer for 1-2 more hours until the water level is reduced by about 2/3 to ¾, until residue is thick, but not a paste; let cool until warm. 6. Blend this strong tea with a carrier until a creamy consistency is achieved. You should add a little at a time and wait for 15-20 minutes until the carrier powder absorbs some of the liquid.
Note: a carrier is an herb or substance that has some insoluble or soluble fiber—when it is blended into the concentrated tea, it provides fiber that absorbs the tea, enabling a completely dried tea to be powdered. Without a carrier, many herbs (especially roots and mushrooms) have so much sugars that the resulting completely dried tea concentrate will end up sticky, making it difficult to produce a nice smooth powder. Try a powder of eleuthero, nettle leaf powder, or if you want a finished product that completely dissolves in water, gum arabic. Methyl cellulose is often used in the production of commercial extracts, as is lactose and maltose.
7. Pour this “batter” into the lighly-oiled (olive oil) nylon fruit leather trays of a food dehydrator and dry at around 95 degrees farenheit until completely dry. 8. Break this wafer up and eat pieces the size of a quarter to a silver dollar 2-3 x daily as a dose. Or powder the wafer in a blender and place into “00” caps or place into jars and blend ¼ to ½ tsp in tea or water. A dose of the extract powder is usually 2-4 grams/day, depending on the severity of the deficient state and the nature of the individual. A single “00” cap will hold about 500 mg (1/2 gram) of the extract, so take 2 for each gram of extract.
Hints: Add licorice, orange peel, etc. for flavor and sweetness, especially if the herb being extracted is bitter.
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Post by cman on Jul 2, 2024 13:47:09 GMT 1
Thanks Smallgree.
Due to the length of time that making the extracts and assuming that extracts were used, how would you hypothesize CHS included the extracts in his restaurant days.
Would he have the time to manufacture the extracts. Or, were there companies back then that supplied the extracts?
Again assuming that extracts were used, I posit that CHS could have also used the pressure cooker to hasten the extract manufacturing. If fresh celery, onions and garlic were indeed used , then a simple use of the pressure cooker would indeed make sense to make the extracts. I believe DFN alluded to this.
In contrast to extracts, again according to DFN, the simple repeated use of the oil created the aroma.
To get the pepper pep, I think the final baking step also needs focus. Another dash of black pepper and spices is necessary. The baking temperature must also not exceed 200° to preserve the aroma. The water molecules must be prevented from evaporation to preserve the spices and to avoid its denaturing.
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Post by smallgree on Jul 2, 2024 18:14:58 GMT 1
My in-laws owned stock in Affiliated Foods, Inc. I visited their food conventions many times in Tulsa, where new food products and concepts were introduced to stock holders, and many samples were distributed. CHS was a restauranteur. He attended food conventions, where he met Pete Harman, also a restauranteur. It is not a stretch to believe that he was introduced to new techniques and products through these conventions, and through his relationship with Pete. It is possible that Stange had an exhibit at these conventions to promote their food industry extracts and new grinding techniques. It is possible that CHS visited Pete in Utah after trying "some things" they had discussed, in order to show him what he had discovered. There seems to have been an understanding between the two.
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