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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jun 4, 2024 14:22:09 GMT 1
Looks Great also
Might Have to Do a test Taste Willie vs Silver Wing Night
Remember C.H.S. Loved Wings
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Post by smallgree on Jun 4, 2024 17:05:38 GMT 1
My wings are to die for. KGP on Ken's forum has ordered me to post my recipe in a manner that suits him, or as he does.
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Post by smallgree on Jun 7, 2024 0:29:52 GMT 1
I've been looking at some of my old recipes to identify changes, or additions made that raised a particular recipe above the others. One of my best (first) contained nutmeg and clove, and another (second) did not. In the second recipe, I dropped the nutmeg and clove for much more allspice. I didn't use mustard in the first recipe, but I did in the second. What set the second recipe apart from the other recipes, in that series, was the use of a lot of mustard, paprika and the use of dried lemon zest rather than lemon pepper. I used 5 to 6 tsps of total black and white pepper in both, respectively. Both recipes contained significant amounts of ginger, with the second recipe, my best, containing nearly as much ginger (by weight) as black pepper. One reviewer thought that F-16 couldn't be beat, but swore that F&G-26++ blew it out of the water.
With all of the experimenting I've done, and what I've learned, I believe that if I revisit these recipes and work in rosemary and onion, then I might have something special. I believe, and always have, that following the given KFC seasoning bag weights is wrong. One of the things I maintained in the past that got me cross with Ellsworth was about the weights. CHS and KFC used spice companies to grind Hs&Ss and prepare their mixes. Their professional grinding techniques "probably" concentrated the flavors by eliminating the chaff from higher quality elements than we can get. Even with all of this, franchisees needed to zing their flour.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jun 7, 2024 13:24:41 GMT 1
Remember the OLD Pre-1970's Spices and Herbs were MILLED with stone Milled Plants the NEW Production Plants all USE Steel Grinding to Process the Spices and Herbs ITS a TOTAL different process and the quality if Flavor has changed.
Speak with ANY OLD SCHOOL Bakery who have had to change the recipes from Family Generations of Baking Do to Difference in Grains and Spices change.
It makes it even more important to SIFT your Flour when Breeding the Fried Chicken you Need a Ultra Fine Flour.
With our Breeding station after we sift our seasoned flour We Add more Pure seasoning and HADN Mix it into the Flour and repeat on the Next sifting. Just Like C.H.S. did when He tested and tasted the seasoned flour
If you Grinding Your own spices and Herbs at Home with a Grinder YOU MUST Pulse Grind the Spices and Herbs DO NOT High speed Grind the Items they will Over Heat and Loose the Oil Value in the Grinding.
Spice and Herbs which are Properly Blended into the Flour will Get Coated with Flour and Help protect the Spice and Herb Taste Provided YOU don't BURN it off in the Browning Stage First 3 Minutes un-capped Pressure cooking
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Post by smallgree on Jun 7, 2024 21:44:57 GMT 1
I pan fried chicken tenders in a cast iron skillet using the unnamed recipe I posted on May 29, 2024. I added another tsp of tellicherry black pepper and another tsp of white pepper. It was awesome, but missed the chicken skin. I'm going to take this recipe, which by my definitions, has 6 herbs and 5 spices, my F-16 and my F&G-26++, which I haven't posted (kgp can't have it), and develop what I think may be what I've looked for. It's been a long journey and I've overcome the BS, and have continued on with my sight on the brass ring (1950s KFC). I will first try Silver's new recipe, and a simple, combo recipe that CHS may have started with, but took undeserved credit and accolades for. Breaking down pre-mixes into one mix can be difficult, and would explain why there were so many variations through the years. There really might not have been a true, personally developed recipe. I'm looking at Aromat, Good Seasons, tomato soup, white pepper, black pepper, msg, salt, ginger, and maybe one secret ingredient that rounds out the note. This is what I'm going to do, and the negative Nancys be damned.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jun 8, 2024 15:22:02 GMT 1
Aromat was NOT available in the 1940's or note until the 1950's Long after the Original recipe was made
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Post by Silver on Jun 8, 2024 17:29:35 GMT 1
There is likely no one who is alive today who knows what 1939 CHS deep fried chicken actually may have tasted like. Especially after eating noticeably "evolving recipe" chicken for 85 years. So blathering about 1939 is irrelevant.
My radical thought for the day is that if by miracle someone fed any of us real 1939 recipe CHS chicken we would be disappointed with it.
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Post by Silver on Jun 8, 2024 17:33:15 GMT 1
I speculate that Pete Harmon modified, improved, and quasi-finalized the recipe while CHS was in Australia attempting to be cured of his cursing habit.
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Post by smallgree on Jun 8, 2024 19:30:28 GMT 1
Knorr and Maggi soups were available during the 40s. CHS experimented with and altered his recipe many times, all the way up to 1952. You have no proof, nor does anyone else, that the statements about the 40s were anything more than hearsay. There is no proof, other than hearsay statements, that the 1950s recipe was the same recipe used during the 40s. Many have promoted PR statements into fact, which has been a great barrier for accurate research.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jun 9, 2024 14:43:58 GMT 1
Both of the above statements can be summed up in 1 claim
Noe Both ramp opening where C.H.S. was commissioned to Fry 500 Pieces of Chicken, enough for the 250 guest attended the Boat arrival Trip.
The Last Element was added to the Seasoned Flour which contained the Flour, Salt and 11 Spices and Herbs that C.H.S. had developed 16/17 years earlier and Never changed after the Last Element C.H.S. Added two handfuls to the Lug and it was the Best Chicken C.H.S. ever had tasted and Never Changed the recipe after that date.
So anyone Now alive would be referencing the mid 1955's Final recipe of Original Fried Chicken.
Pete Harmon Did NOT alter the recipe He made it the way He watched C.H.S. Make it.
Pete h watched C.H.S. make the Chicken and Helped in the Kitchen for that Part as C.H.S needed items that Pete Had to Get for C.H.S.
Pete Also Mentioned he melted Down the Beef Tallow in the Borrowed Pressure Pots from Family members which they Needed.
The Chicken they also Got was frozen and had to be unthawed that afternoon and was Brined while unthawing.
There was NO secret to unthawing and Brining Chicken in a Celery, Garlic, Onion, bath
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