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Post by flg on Sept 22, 2022 16:57:53 GMT 1
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Post by flg on Sept 22, 2022 17:07:29 GMT 1
Chickenman I'm really curious how you liked the fennel. I have a melding mix with I think a similar amount of fennel ready for a cook. My last cook I sprinkled a bit of fennel on after on reheated leftover drumsticks. Just as an experiment as I had purposefully left out any anise like ingredient. And the result was very good in an non scientific way.
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Post by Chickenman on Sept 23, 2022 2:24:09 GMT 1
Chickenman I'm really curious how you liked the fennel. I have a melding mix with I think a similar amount of fennel ready for a cook. My last cook I sprinkled a bit of fennel on after on reheated leftover drumsticks. Just as an experiment as I had purposefully left out any anise like ingredient. And the result was very good in an non scientific way. I've always believed there is a subtle anise element to the O.R and fennel provides this flavour beautifully, kind of adds a caramel smooth kind of flavour too. Normally i've been disappointed in fennel because i expected it to add an intense anise note like star anise does. Fennel doesn't do this, it instead adds a very subtle anise note with sweetness/caramel like flavour that blends perfectly into the mixture. You might think i use caraway for anise but that is incorrect, i never used caraway with the hope of it adding any anise because it doesn't, it instead adds a very unique sweetness. I am sold on the fennel. 100% is in the recipe imo.
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Post by Chickenman on Sept 23, 2022 4:16:33 GMT 1
Improved version of my recipe
1.Caraway seed 2.Ginger 3.Nutmeg 4.Fennel seed 5.Cloves 6.Cardamom 7.Garlic powder 8.Ancho chilli 9.Sage 10.Marjoram 11.Savory 12.Chives
I am very happy and satisfied with these ingredients, all i need to do now is work on the ratios for these ingredients.
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Post by Chickenman on Sept 23, 2022 5:55:04 GMT 1
I had my sister who is not well versed in spices at all, smell the bay leaves/cardamom and she said she thinks the cardamom is "too cinnamony" and the bay leaves is more "lemony" and she said she would choose the bay over the cardamom. But when i heard her say "the cardamom is too cinnamony" it really peaked my interest because i also think a cinnamon like flavour can work well in the recipe but actual cinnamon is just too strong. I am sold on cardamom. Cardamom is adding both the cinnamon and the eucalyptus flavour which bay leaves cannot do. Also, i find cardamom/caraway do something magical together.
Some people think he wouldn't have used cardamom because it was too expensive, but a man like Colonel Sanders who put quality above all else 100% would use cardamom if he believed it was a crucial element in his recipe. Also, even those cheap two minute noodles contain cardamom, not too expensive to be put in cheap noodles but too expensive to be used in the 11 h/s?
I also believe cardamom was the 11th ingredient, it makes perfect sense, there is no other spice that does what it can do. And it makes perfect sense that it was the 11th because initially he wouldn't have used it due to the cost factor, then maybe one day he decided to use it just to see what it does. 10000% cardamom is the 11th.
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Post by flg on Sept 23, 2022 13:13:47 GMT 1
Back when I was stuck in the 26oz recipe rut. I built and cooked a recipe with Cardamom. Because of self imposed weight restriction. I ended up with .15g Cardamom in 200g flour. However I had also added 0.15g Anise Seed. So too much going on perhaps to be able to pin point. At that time it was my best cook and the first time I could start smelling the KFC note. I certainly didn't dislike cardamom. But I shelved it on the cost factor. May try again now that 90% of my recipe isn't changing version to version. Fennel is currently in the test spot in my recipe.
Caraway - I added it to a recipe I already had 1.4g of Celery Seed. The base recipe before caraway was my number 1 to the point of almost stopping. Adding the caraway changed that. It killed the strong note I had. But I tossed in .7g caraway (200g flour). It may have been too much. But for me caraway will stay in my spice container for now.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Sept 23, 2022 15:48:10 GMT 1
I agree many people turned away from Cardamom because they Cost.
I Don't grasp there though as Cardamom was NOT the Highest price Spice or Herb in 1930 - 1940's the price started to Jump in the years after CHS sold out to Brown and Massey.
If you view many old Spice Tins of Cardamom from 1930/1940 it has similar pricing on the Tins ?
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Post by Chickenman on Sept 24, 2022 2:19:13 GMT 1
I agree many people turned away from Cardamom because they Cost. I Don't grasp there though as Cardamom was NOT the Highest price Spice or Herb in 1930 - 1940's the price started to Jump in the years after CHS sold out to Brown and Massey. If you view many old Spice Tins of Cardamom from 1930/1940 it has similar pricing on the Tins ? Even with todays price of cardamom i still don't view it as being something too expensive to use. I have gone through a few pouches of b/w pepper but my cardamom pouch is still like 80% full. I will have to go through ALOT more pouches of b/w pepper before i use it all up. Colonel sanders wouldn't care if cardamom was slightly increasing the cost of his recipe if it meant more sales and more customers and he said something like that in an interview regarding something else.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Sept 24, 2022 15:22:45 GMT 1
If you watch CHS old Video and even old New Paper articles He never Blames NEW AGE KFC and Massey or Brown about Cost cutting as much as says they are Just changing the recipes.
CHS sued Brown & Massey Over contract Breach for changing the Recipe, He Did NOT make reference to Cost Cutting He stood on the Breach of Contract they Agreed to NOT change his Original Recipe, Bill S Marion Kay Proved they Changed it.
That's why NEW AGE KFC settled out of court with CHS to drop the Lawsuit.
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Post by Chickenman on Sept 25, 2022 2:04:58 GMT 1
I have started a herb garden, for mainly growing marjoram and chives because i'm unable to find good quality versions of these. Bought hot and spicy oregano, regular oregano and marjoram. First i pinched some of the hot and spicy, very nice spicy smell but definitely not in the 11h/s. I then pinched some of the regular oregano and went "yep this might be in kfc" then i pinched some of the marjoram and went "yep 100% without a doubt this stuff is in the 11 h/s" for some reason i used to always favour oregano over marjoram but it's crystal clear to me now that marjoram is in the recipe.
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