maceme
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Post by maceme on May 17, 2022 16:57:19 GMT 1
So we have from the Settle's that the recipe they found in CHS's diary definitively contains 11 H&S. Yet per the KFC representative "about 5" of the real "H&S" were not found among the Settle's '11'. Plus the KFC representative said the Settle's recipe looked more like something you would add to stuffing, most likely meaning that it was a recipe for Poultry Seasoning. Summing it up via logical deduction:----------------------------------------------------- About half of the H&S ingredients commonly found within Poultry Seasoning, are NOT H&S ingredients found in KFC OR .If at least one of the 11 in their recipe was a blend perhaps it all works out.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 18:11:05 GMT 1
A summation of the 1974 Esquire magazine experts opinions as to KFC OR's ingredients: Salt Monosodium Glutamate Cayenne Pepper Cinnamon Rosemary Savory Tarragon Thyme Pepper Turmeric Honey or Brown Sugar Almond Mint Flour Milk Egg Celery Salt Caraway Chili Powder Horseradish Cloves The H&S that received the most consensus among the 4 was Cinnamon. No one smelled Paprika. One of four smelled Chili Powder. Does that hint of Cumin? No one smelled Oregano or Marjoram. No one smelled Nutmeg. No one smelled Allspice or Star-Anise. And these guys were experts. C'mon y'all. De Groot started food writing only after he lost his vision. He later shot himself. Beard made dubious deals with the food industry and called himself a "gastronomic whore". James Villas was an elitist food critic that published his take on "the" quintessial southern fried chicken and it had zero herbs and spices apart from salt and pepper. Waverly Root was a journalist best known for his interest in Italian and French cuisine. Everyone here on the forum is more of an expert than these guys. We do the groundwork. People study what we discuss and discover.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on May 17, 2022 18:43:04 GMT 1
I have a View that's Different and would NOT rate these 4 cooks as BUMS or SLUFFS in the day they were Known COOKS and CHEFS of the Day.
Yes there Opinion's and Shared expressions may have been with a regional or cultural background dominants, or style of cooking.
I Guess Take it as the test was asked WHAT DO THEY Taste in KFC Chicken of 1974.
The Chicken was obtained from different locations. It was never been disclosed and NOR Did I ask the people who where involved with the test if it was all of the chicken was the same or different parts. It was chicken from 2 different locations and Supplies to the Chefs to test in a BLIND review neither knew the other was testing, so a subjective non bias event.
They Tried to do as fair of a test as possible is all that was tried for the Time.
I guess they were picked because the people doing the test felt they had a pallet of Food to asses the Flavor.
I Do Not think 3 or 4 Bum's or Slouches Want bee Michelin Star Chef would all Say Cinnamon unless they tasted cinnamon.
I guess it's all as subjective as CHS gave interviews in Canada that are a little different then what was said in USA.
it's all only documented part of the Mystery
I will maintain this The Chicken was on the round Earth long before the Egg was on the Flat Earth.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 20:17:16 GMT 1
I have a View that's Different and would NOT rate these 4 cooks as BUMS or SLUFFS in the day they were Known COOKS and CHEFS of the Day. Yes there Opinion's and Shared expressions may have been with a regional or cultural background dominants, or style of cooking. I Guess Take it as the test was asked WHAT DO THEY Taste in KFC Chicken of 1974. The Chicken was obtained from different locations. It was never been disclosed and NOR Did I ask the people who where involved with the test if it was all of the chicken was the same or different parts. It was chicken from 2 different locations and Supplies to the Chefs to test in a BLIND review neither knew the other was testing, so a subjective non bias event. They Tried to do as fair of a test as possible is all that was tried for the Time. I guess they were picked because the people doing the test felt they had a pallet of Food to asses the Flavor. I Do Not think 3 or 4 Bum's or Slouches Want bee Michelin Star Chef would all Say Cinnamon unless they tasted cinnamon. I guess it's all as subjective as CHS gave interviews in Canada that are a little different then what was said in USA. it's all only documented part of the Mystery I will maintain this The Chicken was on the round Earth long before the Egg was on the Flat Earth. First of, they weren’t even cooks. They were writers. And even if they had been, like the Michelin star chefs from the UK that tried on the OR very recently, they would not have had any real advantage at tasting fried chicken. This is not what the average chef does. Fried chicken is home and fast food. Secondly, why don’t the experts agree then? Why don‘t they all taste the same given the level of their expertise? Third point. If there were any experts that could tell you what’s in the OR simply by tasting it, the recipe would have been cracked the week after launching. It is silly to take them at face value.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on May 17, 2022 22:18:26 GMT 1
I Guess Bill S from Marion K and his recreation called Marion Kay chicken Season and then 99x was NO EXPERT he did not have a Degree in Spiceology.
I Guess Grace's Perfect Blend from Pat in the UK is out the window also he failed in many Businesses, and also got sue by KFC. So his recreation of 12 spices is NOT 11 Spices and cannot be anything of Value from someone who Owner KFC Franchises but was NOT a Cook.
OH Pete Harmon lets see a Restaurant owner and NOT a Cook who recreated the 11 Spices and Herbs From the Spice Tins CHS purchased or the Recipe CHS left him ?
Lee Cummings Famous Chicken must have been a fluke.
THE RECIPE HAS BEEN RECREATE MULTIPAL TIMES. BUT it's ONLY in NEWSPAPERS AND THE COURTS that people have posted 100 times or 1000 times
OH NOT sure of the exact words from the court case that Marion Kay lost Bill S. Commented ANY Spice Company could take the spices and make the same mix or similar words not sure how it was wrote sorry.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 23:07:32 GMT 1
I Guess Bill S from Marion K and his recreation called Marion Kay chicken Season and then 99x was NO EXPERT he did not have a Degree in Spiceology. I Guess Grace's Perfect Blend from Pat in the UK is out the window also he failed in many Businesses, and also got sue by KFC. So his recreation of 12 spices is NOT 11 Spices and cannot be anything of Value from someone who Owner KFC Franchises but was NOT a Cook. OH Pete Harmon lets see a Restaurant owner and NOT a Cook who recreated the 11 Spices and Herbs From the Spice Tins CHS purchased or the Recipe CHS left him ? Lee Cummings Famous Chicken must have been a fluke. THE RECIPE HAS BEEN RECREATE MULTIPAL TIMES. BUT it's ONLY in NEWSPAPERS AND THE COURTS that people have posted 100 times or 1000 times OH NOT sure of the exact words from the court case that Marion Kay lost Bill S. Commented ANY Spice Company could take the spices and make the same mix or similar words not sure how it was wrote sorry. That's a straw man argument. A very poor one by the way. We were not discussing people that actually met and learned from CHS or that ran/run professional spice businesses. I HAVE told you MANY TIMES, please REMEMBER, I DON'T buy your lousy stories MATE. Don't forget I can READ, REASON and REMEMBER VERY well.
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Post by Chickenman on May 19, 2022 9:47:54 GMT 1
I'm not sure what has gone wrong, but my recipe is all out of whack and ruined. There was almost no aroma today, compared to the other day where it was very strong. The only thing i did differently was up some of the spices to see if it would increase the aroma but instead i got the opposite effect. The raw spice mix also smelt off. I've always known that ratios are important but now i know they are VERY VERY IMPORTANT.
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Post by Chickenman on May 19, 2022 9:49:25 GMT 1
I am officially chickened out. Taking a 2 week break now minimum.
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Post by Chickenman on May 19, 2022 11:23:34 GMT 1
I'm not sure what has gone wrong, but my recipe is all out of whack and ruined. There was almost no aroma today, compared to the other day where it was very strong. The only thing i did differently was up some of the spices to see if it would increase the aroma but instead i got the opposite effect. The raw spice mix also smelt off. I've always known that ratios are important but now i know they are VERY VERY IMPORTANT. HUH? You Meaning lessen S&Hs GIVEN you more Smells? And MORE S&Hs Given you lessen Smells? Also I thinking Opposite Happens. VERY Weired.... SO What do NOW ? ? Am Still try Learning basics HERE... Yes, some of the spices can completely drown out the entire recipe if too high.
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Post by Silver on May 19, 2022 12:46:01 GMT 1
Yes, some of the spices can completely drown out the entire recipe if too high. flg and myself are among those who have discovered that less is more. We both evolved this viewpoint in stages, while observing that our recipes containing less grams of H&S tasted better than those containing more grams of H&S. Getting the levels of Salt, Pepper, and MSG correct will get you about 80% of the way there. Adding boatloads of H&S will bring you down from this level of closeness to the goal. Beyond adding Salt, Pepper, and MSG, the widest smile that has been brought to my face thus far has been from simply adding a few grams of ground Celery Seeds, and nothing more. The note was not KFC, but it was amazing.
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