|
|
Post by Silver on Mar 29, 2022 11:49:24 GMT 1
Continuing with the thought that Winston Shelton was given a 1/25 scaled recipe of 100 grams intended to be added to 1 Lb. of flour:
100 grams x 25 = 2,500 grams
2,500 grams / 28.35 grams per Oz. = 88.183 Oz.
88.183 Oz. - 40 Oz. in the H&S bag = 48.183 Oz. Salt (outside of the bag)
48.183 Oz./16 Oz. per Lb. = 3.011 Lbs. of Salt (that was in its own bag)
Within reason, and considering conversion rounding required when transitioning from grams to pounds and ounces, 3.011 Lbs. and 3.000 Lbs. seem to be a very good match.
|
|
|
|
Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 29, 2022 12:33:49 GMT 1
MSG was the 12 item added to the 11 Spice and Herbs.
In multiple Countries They List Garlic Onions Celery in Brackets ( Item ) and its listed After the ingredient list of Original Spices. The use of Brackets are NOTED in those countries as NOT part of the Original Recipe ?
SO is Celery, Garlic, Onion part of the Original court cases going BACK to 1925 List them as Vegetable
|
|
flg
Souschef
Posts: 1,578
|
Post by flg on Mar 29, 2022 13:26:21 GMT 1
I'm interested in everyone's view on this topic. This story has been a major contributor in my own recipes.
My take is he didn't mention MSG or Salt. I chose to believe he thought of both as actual ingredients so he didn't want to give away volume or other info about them. MSG and Salt were not part of the 100g. I think it makes sense that the recipe scaled to around the 450g (6cups or 1lb).
I wonder if he gave some specifics around the pepper amounts. So 20g course grind 10 fine or something like that. Perhaps enough that it originally looked to Winston like he had enough ingredients. Until he looked at it a second time.
I just can't see CHS forgetting a major element. Although it could have happened. But just seems like you wouldn't forget Sage for example or Thyme etc. But you may forget that your recipe has a filler in it. Perhaps extra salt, a seasoning salt or equivalent, garlic salt. Something like that. And over the years this may have went from a seasoning salt to just extra salt. Something he didn't consider a main ingredient in the original 11.
|
|
|
|
Post by Silver on Mar 29, 2022 14:12:34 GMT 1
Given paragraph one of the Shelton quote, it is impossible to deny that Salt was one of the eleven. Only strong "confirmation bias" could lead to such a denial. I invite everyone to look up the definition of confirmation bias. It is the great destroyer of science. It is why fully 80% of statistically high confirmation (R^2 value) medical and pharmaceutical studies can NOT be replicated by sources fully independent from the initial study source.
|
|
|
|
Post by Silver on Mar 29, 2022 14:27:03 GMT 1
Confirmation Bias may have been on the mind of renowned German Philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer way back in the early 18000's when he stated that:
|
|
|
|
Post by Silver on Mar 29, 2022 14:38:41 GMT 1
Confirmation Bias is likely on the minds (including here my own) of those who boldly proclaim "I've discovered the recipe, note, flavor, aroma, etc...".
It is quite highly likely that ~80% of independent sources would not be able to duplicate such claims, even if explicitly and accurately following the recipe and process instructions.
EDIT: I've often wondered of this as a contemplate independent verification of my "Cooked Recipe #4". I.E., my best to date cooked recipe. Confirmation bias on my side (and also of the independent side) will likely lead to independent failure to replicate my boastful conclusions.
|
|
|
|
Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 29, 2022 15:14:42 GMT 1
In The information Mind Field
These 2 Points come to Mind
If the Theory of math of Known Number A + B = C hold even close (A) 2Lbs or 3Lbs of Salt to (B) 26oz, 32oz or 40oz = (C) 100 or 100%
What % of spice would be indicated in the Shelton figure ?
50% or 40% Salt ?
20% to 30% Pepper ?
So then the other 9 Items share 20% - 30%
|
|
flg
Souschef
Posts: 1,578
|
Post by flg on Mar 29, 2022 16:57:47 GMT 1
Confirmation Bias is likely on the minds (including here my own) of those who boldly proclaim "I've discovered the recipe, note, flavor, aroma, etc...". It is quite highly likely that ~80% of independent sources would not be able to duplicate such claims, even if explicitly and accurately following the recipe and process instructions. EDIT: I've often wondered of this as a contemplate independent verification of my "Cooked Recipe #4". I.E., my best to date cooked recipe. Confirmation bias on my side (and also of the independent side) will likely lead to independent failure to replicate my boastful conclusions. I would think then IF we take at face value that he was given 10 ingredients that equaled 87g and the only instruction was to add this to a certain amount of flour then Salt - 1 MSG -2 White pepper - 3 Black pepper - 4 Garlic - 5 (listed on packaging) 6 spots left If you believe paprika as listed on the takeout box Paprika - 6 5 spots left May buy you another ingredient if pepper was thought of as a blend. Which then opens the doors to blends being counted as one. For example Italian seasoning |
|
|
|
Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 29, 2022 17:51:06 GMT 1
SALT, MSG, were NOT included in the 11 Items
Salt was ALWAYS EXTERNAL MSG was after the 11 Original Spices and Herbs.
if you Top 3
20
13
10 = 43 Total
8 items would fill the remaining 57g
Based ON salt and Flour NOT in the 100g combination.
Paprika (ON KFC Boxes of Chicken and Claudia Recipe)
Ginger ( Jamaican Ginger Story & Tommy S in Court saying there is NO Ginger in a Stuffing recipe)
ONLY My Personal View ?
|
|
flg
Souschef
Posts: 1,578
|
Post by flg on Mar 29, 2022 22:16:47 GMT 1
He basically started telling me to measure 20 grams of this herb and 10 grams of that spice and so on,” Shelton says. “And when he got through, he told me it would all add up to 100 grams. Then he said I should take that and mix it with a certain amount of soft winter wheat flour and that would be it.” Paprika (ON KFC Boxes of Chicken and Claudia Recipe) Ginger ( Jamaican Ginger Story & Tommy S in Court saying there is NO Ginger in a Stuffing recipe) if you go with the statement that Winston makes the 100g is an all in 1 minus the flour. So in this recipe MSG and SALT appear to be counted. Excellent point about the ginger. Running total if there were no blends. Salt - 1 MSG -2 White pepper - 3 Black pepper - 4 Garlic - 5 (listed on packaging) 6 spots left If you believe paprika as listed on the takeout box Paprika - 6 5 spots left Ginger - 7 Settle's plus rumor he mentioned they stopped using Jamaican Ginger 4 spots left |
|
