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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 25, 2022 14:49:31 GMT 1
I was messages and asked why I Do Not comment on the Glen & Friends Ingredient List and what Recipe he released. I had made the comment that THIS recipe was AFTER 1985. It has been around for a LONG TIME it was what Marion Kay was using after they changed the Original Marion Kay Chicken Seasoning when they lost the Lawsuit to KFC and CHS had Passed away. I said it ONLY contained 5 items NOT including the Salt, Pepper, MSG. I was Told NO it includes 7 items I said NOT true Summer Savory was a so called extra it's NOT listed in the Recipe I have and Bill S from Marion Kay added Coriander into the 99x to make it different so he could continue to Sell the 99x as long as it was NOT SOLD to KFC Franchises. The same recipe was being used By Pat at Grace's I even posted the Original amounts that were released in the 1986 Recipe to Dustin and he said Its NOT correct. I asked him on previously if he had this FULL recipe and he said NO he DID NOT. I said then HOW DO YOU know its wrong ? ? ? They would NOT post it on Ken's Forum NOT sure why? Read The Famous Chicken Court Case which applies to Marion Kay Then look at the recipe Fine Salt Fine Ground Black Pepper Coarse Ground Black Pepper Cracked Black Pepper Fine Ground White Pepper MSG Ground Coriander Plus 1 extra Item the Bill S Marion Added Allspice / or / Summer Savoury is a replacement for Sage if it was NOT available. Ground Ginger Rubbed Thyme Ground Sage Rubbed Marjoram  |
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Post by flg on Mar 26, 2022 1:34:36 GMT 1
You feel that allspice, ginger, thyme, sage and marjoram are the 5 ingredients outside of salt, pepper and MSG. And that only if sage was hard to source would savory be included replacing sage?
And that Coriander is in 99x but not OR?
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 26, 2022 3:40:12 GMT 1
Look back in the Time frame in 1930's Coriander WAS NOT a spice easily found and was NOT listed on spices Tins as a Item they sold in much of a single spice Tin.
I only Go by what ALL the spice companies printed and it was a Ghost of Spices in the 1930's so BY Process of NON availability It would NOT have been in the Mix BUT other similar items could have been in the 11 Spices and Herbs.
Bill S from Marion Kay Openly said he ADDED 1 more item and it made the Chicken better - Coriander at that time period when he added the item was a spice Gaining popularity.
Savory was a more Seasonal Spice and NOT referenced in many recipes ANYWHERE in the 1930s as Sage and Mexican Oregano were Major items.
Looking at the Allspice, Ginger, Thyme, Sage, Marjoram you have a cross section of spice that does give flavors which were used There was much discussion about Jamaican Ginger and CHS. Thyme and Sage were two staples of cooking Allspice was used in Baking and Cooking and use by CHS often.
Please check and see what you find with coriander, view old spice racks and old spice tins and see it was NOT a common Pantry item until after 1945 and by then the 11 Spices and Herbs were Mixed.
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Post by Silver on Mar 26, 2022 10:37:15 GMT 1
Why did an old KFC allergens report list Celery Seed and Mustard Powder as allergens present within OR?
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 26, 2022 12:47:01 GMT 1
If it was listed in the allergens List with FDA rules Then they KFC NEW AGE KNEW, OUTTO HAVE KNOWN, OR PRESUMED by cross contamination hat the 2 items Celery Seed and or Mustard was present.
BUT If it was cross contamination it would have been listed as MAY CONTAIN due to ... ... ... wording subject to cross contamination or possible product that may or may have been in the package equipment previously.
I would lead more to the first plausible cause that KFC knew it was directedly a item used in the Original Recipe.
Mustard Seed, and Mustard was a item that was common in Sausage making, and making Dressing for SALADS. the old MUSTARD TIN ALL had recommend use for Dressing, and Sauces us.
Celery and Celery Seed was a cooking item used more for Flavor it was added in Many of the First Bottled Dressing also, as for recipes it was typically used as a Fresh chopped item, primary in Stews and Gulashes, BUT heavy used in Chicken Salad Sandwich Mix and cold salads for the crunch texture and the flavor.
Celery Seed aka Celery Salt made its presents HEAVY HEAVY in Bouillon Cubes chicken and Beef, plus Dried Packaged and Dehydrated soups. WAS listed in the Military Rations List on many Dried items then had for Meals and there Camp foods.
articles in 2022 that surfaced about Spice companies using fillers found that Many spices were spiked with 30% FILLERS which many had Celery Powder as a Filler.
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Post by Silver on Mar 26, 2022 13:12:14 GMT 1
I fully agree that if Celery Seed and Mustard Powder were not directly OR ingredients at the time of its publication,the allergens report would have stated "May" (contain) as opposed to answering with a direct "Yes" (such as KFC did). Under Soya they answered "May" (contain). You are spot on in observing that if it was merely a cross contamination matter the answer would assuredly have been "May" (contain). Despite the obvious, I can't seem to gather any traction on either forum for this observation. And particularly on the other forum there is zero traction. deepfriednew101, your response is the only level of traction attained which is pointing toward at least a quasi-positive. And yet both forums purport to a goal of uncovering or revealing the secret of the ORIGINAL recipe. |
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Post by flg on Mar 26, 2022 14:12:47 GMT 1
I fully agree that if Celery Seed and Mustard Powder were not directly OR ingredients at the time of its publication,the allergens report would have stated "May" (contain) as opposed to answering with a direct "Yes" (such as KFC did). Under Soya they answered "May" (contain). You are spot on in observing that if it was merely a cross contamination matter the answer would assuredly have been "May" (contain). Despite the obvious, I can't seem to gather any traction on either forum for this observation. And particularly on the other forum there is zero traction. deepfriednew101, your response is the only level of traction attained which is pointing toward at least a quasi-positive. And yet both forums purport to a goal of uncovering or revealing the secret of the ORIGINAL recipe. I have never seen a listing for OR in Canada or USA that says contains mustard and celery. If it exists please point me there. I have seen those items listed in other products KFC makes. The reason for no traction by me. If there, I must of overlooked |
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Post by Silver on Mar 26, 2022 14:39:41 GMT 1
I have never seen a listing for OR in Canada or USA that says contains mustard and celery. If it exists please point me there. I have seen those items listed in other products KFC makes. The reason for no traction by me. If there, I must of overlooked Contains Celery : Yes Contains Mustard : Yes Contains Cereal Gluten : Yes Contains Soya : May kfc11.proboards.com/attachment/download/748 |
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Post by flg on Mar 26, 2022 14:54:42 GMT 1
Date on the bottom say as of 2007. Phone number is for KFC UK. London England. So I go back to I haven't seen KFC USA or Canada list these. And I'm not opposed to trying or supporting them in anyway. If I was making KFC 2007 version sold in the UK. I'd be a miss not to add these 2 ingredients for sure. But as deepfriednew101 and others have posted. The recipe can be different per country and region. I don't think this is proof that the OR, I mean the pre 60's version where we are from, contained these. |
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Post by flg on Mar 26, 2022 15:02:36 GMT 1
deepfriednew101 Coriander is interesting. I could easily buy it wasn't in the OR if it was rare or not easily available at the time. Marion Kay adding an ingredient or 2 that they knew wasn't in the OR would help their case against lawsuits. I have found coriander so far isn't a make or break item. At the same time Celery seeds and Coriander aren't substitutes in anyway. Although may make sense in the weight position coriander is normally held in. As you say. Maybe Bill S just thought coriander helped fill in for the ingredients they couldn't use and covered off some of the flavour profiles. Or, just tasted good?
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