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Post by Silver on Mar 26, 2022 15:34:28 GMT 1
If they were definitively in the UK list of ingredients as late as 2007,then they could easily have been early ingredients within the USA and Canada. They were likely removed in the US and CA well before they were removed in the UK.
If they were never US or CA components, then why ... :
1) ... are they UK components?
2) ... are they Ledington components?
3) ... are they Eula Gordon components?
4) ... do more clone recipes historically contain them than not? (albeit that this may not prove to be the case for latter forums such as those still active)
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Post by flg on Mar 26, 2022 15:52:47 GMT 1
If they were definitively in the UK list of ingredients as late as 2007,then they could easily have been early ingredients within the USA and Canada. They were likely removed in the US and CA well before they were removed in the UK. If they were never US or CA components, then why ... : 1) ... are they UK components? 2) ... are they Ledington components? 3) ... are they Eula Gordon components? 4) ... do more clone recipes historically contain them than not? (albeit that this may not prove to be the case for latter forums such as those still active) I think the Ledington recipe has been called into question enough times that we can’t rely on it being of much value. And the recipe that floats around as Eula’s I have seen at least 2 versions. So is it the real one. Who knows at this point. Silver I’m not saying your wrong. Just as I have posted in various threads and been challenged on drawing conclusions. We just can’t. Could we speculate one or both these may have sure. In the case of celery seed. There are tons of recipes using that in poultry dishes. Mustard seed? Well not so much. Might I try celery seed at some point sure. Mustard seed won’t be for a long time for me. Far below tarragon, basil, celery. |
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 26, 2022 15:59:14 GMT 1
Canada did List Mustard and Celery in Older ingredient placement BUT typically fell under the Pre-Processed items that Did NOT fall under the Original Recipe Blocking Ingredient Grand Father Clause.
ANY recipes KFC NEW AGE CORPORATION has made after 1980 especially when the FDA was re-wrote from the 1905 Act. Changed listing laws.
where KFC gets Hammered is when Outside Processing Plants make chicken like Popcorn chicken, chicken strips pre-breaded and Partial cooked ALL MUST LIST THERE ITEMS and KFC must disclose the Processing Plant list.
KFC NEW AGE has replaced Mustard with Turmeric and they list the more a color agent BUT understand YOU cannot remove the Flavor of Turmeric just because you listed it as a color agent the Flavor is the FLAVOR LOL.
Coriander Has a Flavor and incorporates multiple taste buds YES. Like I suggest view 1930 Spice Tins and the spice racks sold in 1930's Coriander was very very limited. it was a item like NUTMEG more people used MACE in the 1930's and in the 1980's NUTMEG sky Rocketed in sales.
95% of ALL donut shops PRE 1970's were ALL using mace in the Donut's
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 26, 2022 16:12:00 GMT 1
EVERYONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THIS KEY POINT.
VARY IMPORTANT
from 1939 until 1962-1963 CHS DIDNOT have to disclose the list of ingredients HE WAS NOT PACKAGING any spices for RESALE to FRANCHISE.
SALT & Pepper were ESENTIAL spices and even in THOUSANDS OF RECIPES were NOT listed in the ingredient list it was a separate line add salt and pepper to TASTE. DID NOT FORM THE INGREDIENT LIST.
CELERY, ONION, GARLIC from the 1927 court case were Vegetable's and NOT Spices or Herbs.
Just because its CALLED 11 Spices and Herbs DOES NOT MEAN it ONLY has to contain 11 Spices and Herbs
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 26, 2022 16:21:24 GMT 1
The Law has been vary clear in many instances.
A Company and or Manufacture can Trademark a item like 99x and the 99x may or may NOT imply it MUST OR ONLY contains 99 items.
where the Law is specific if they or any advertises ONLY, 11 Spice and Herbs and they DO NOT have 11 Spices an Herbs then False or Misleading advertisement would apply.
example Subway was taken to court for 1 Foot Long Sub Sandwich. They were also taken to court over the Tuna which was examined and test to be a FISG slurry, NOT pure Tuna. They were taken to court for False and misleading advertisement.
Million Dollar Court cases, Major Major FREE advertising worth more then the LEGAL fee's.
I Do not think the Plaintiff's benefited from the court cases or won MILLIONS.
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