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Post by smallgree on Mar 28, 2019 19:02:26 GMT 1
Took left over chicken and sprinkled Jamaican ginger on it before heating it up. Really brought the flavors to the forefront. The Corporation, early on, very well could have increased the MSG so they could decrease the Jamaican ginger. This is what CHS raised hell about. They added 4 oz to the seasoning bag IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY WERE USING (IMHO). Sales spiked. MSG, black and white pepper, salt and ginger could be the basic taste, the balance of which must be established first. Why else would CHS get so overworked about using domestic ginger if Jamaican ginger wasn't a major factor in the original recipe? Is this the concept that all of the deception and misdirection has been attempting to lead us away from? The chicken oil from lunch today had that strange aftertaste that I always perceived in my 1998 KFC seasoning.
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Post by smallgree on Apr 3, 2019 14:39:45 GMT 1
What if coriander, sage, nutmeg, allspice, vanilla, savory, rosemary, marjoram, clove, cardamom, tarragon, cinnamon, fennel, anise and onion, all, were not in the Original Recipe?
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Apr 3, 2019 15:05:04 GMT 1
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Post by Deep Taste on Apr 3, 2019 15:05:04 GMT 1
..Ginger, Chili, Paprika, White Pepper, Black Pepper, Mace, Star anise, Bay leaf, Celery, Mustard, Turmaric, Oregano, Caraway, Basil.
It is not just herbs and spices.
And I don't believe anymore in only 11 Herbs and spices.
At KFC, they fry 2000 pieces of chicken every day, maybe even more, we bring a new Oil, fry 3 or 4 pieces of chicken, and we sit down waiting that special Aroma and fragrant of KFC.
That cannot be even if you use KFC seasoning.
Any of our recipes will smell and taste different if we fry using KFC machines and quantities.
Fluor, Egg and Milk powder, Salt, MSG, Black Pepper and White Pepper that make more than 75% of the recipe.
If you feel you want to try Celery, Vanilla bean, Tea leafs, or any spice you think of, then try it, don't let anyone guide your mind and control your mouth, if you fellow Ken for example, he will push you till you add 1.3g Garlic Salt to your spice mix, use any spice you want, and not one or 2 times, you need to make a lot of chicken using that spice to be able to give a verdict, and this evidence will always remain subjective, what seems right to you may not be right to me and vice versa.
Anyway:
Black Pepper
White Pepper
Chili/Paprika
Ginger
Garlic
MSG
Salt
Dextrose
Those are 100% in KFC Seasoning Bag, and I believe they make between 60-80% of it.
Deep Taste
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Post by smallgree on Apr 3, 2019 19:42:54 GMT 1
A comment about Joe Ledington. He was 67 when he "leaked" the recipe to the reporter in 2016. He said he mixed spices and herbs with flour which was mailed off when he was 10, 11, and 12. Joe was 10 in 1959, 11 in 1960, and 12 in 1961. CHS and Pete were already warehousing by 1959. Stange had already been employed by 1959. Is there a contradiction here? By 1959 thru 1961, Stange was probably already mixing the seasonings with extract "flavorings", which means WEIGHTS ARE OUT. The only weight we could reasonably be sure about is the 100g recipe that CHS gave to Winston Shelton. If Ledington's recipe is legit, and accessible by 10 year olds, is it possible that CHS made "visual" alterations to the recipe stuck to the wall in order to obscure the proper way to make the recipe? Did he keep secret ingredients that only he knew, which was written down only on the recipe he kept in his pocket? Possible? Look at MSG, as it is not listed on Ledington's recipe, but we know it is in the OR. Either Ledington's is legit, or it isn't. This whole ordeal is contingent upon answering this question, IMHO. Once extracts were used the recipe would have shrunk in weight. And we don't know if or how the recipe was modified to fit the pressure fryer procedure.
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Post by smallgree on Apr 4, 2019 15:26:36 GMT 1
Only thing left to do is work up a recipe and post it for us to try. As has been said for ages, the proof is in the pudding.
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Apr 4, 2019 20:27:08 GMT 1
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Post by Deep Taste on Apr 4, 2019 20:27:08 GMT 1
A comment about Joe Ledington. He was 67 when he "leaked" the recipe to the reporter in 2016. He said he mixed spices and herbs with flour which was mailed off when he was 10, 11, and 12. Joe was 10 in 1959, 11 in 1960, and 12 in 1961. CHS and Pete were already warehousing by 1959. Stange had already been employed by 1959. Is there a contradiction here? By 1959 thru 1961, Stange was probably already mixing the seasonings with extract "flavorings", which means WEIGHTS ARE OUT. The only weight we could reasonably be sure about is the 100g recipe that CHS gave to Winston Shelton. If Ledington's recipe is legit, and accessible by 10 year olds, is it possible that CHS made "visual" alterations to the recipe stuck to the wall in order to obscure the proper way to make the recipe? Did he keep secret ingredients that only he knew, which was written down only on the recipe he kept in his pocket? Possible? Look at MSG, as it is not listed on Ledington's recipe, but we know it is in the OR. Either Ledington's is legit, or it isn't. This whole ordeal is contingent upon answering this question, IMHO. Once extracts were used the recipe would have shrunk in weight. And we don't know if or how the recipe was modified to fit the pressure fryer procedure. My problem with the Ledington recipe, is that there is no Cloves, Allspice, Cardamom, Cinnamon, Nutmeg, Mace, Cassia, Anise, Fennel or any other sweet spice that I know of, and I just can't imagine the OR doesn't contain any one of those .. Basil, Oregano and Thyme is a typical italian dressing, If they were realy in the recipe, then all that old copycat recipes that use Italian dressing were right after all. 4 Tbsp Paprika ?! I have to try this. I once tried 2 Tbsp and the result was dark. Deep Taste |
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Post by smallgree on Apr 5, 2019 17:23:55 GMT 1
I have figured out the vials, and they match Ledingtons. I have to abide by certain oaths I took when I left TCK, so I need to see what my companions think. I will definitely post the vials conclusions a little later, although I was characterized as a TCK Thug by Ellsworth/DTM years ago. I see that the corporate misinformation team has cranked up again, so I believe I must have gotten too close to solving this riddle. I have been apprehensive lately because I don't see anybody cooking, anywhere. I have posted preliminary recipes around, but I haven't seen a soul try one. I have said it since I first joined TCK that every cook with a dynamite recipe will hide the one secret ingredient that makes the recipe. CHS was no exception. I was ignored like I was dead, and ended up with BruceB. There was plenty of paranoia on that forum and I didn't agree with excluding DeepTaste. The animosity has pretty much killed all of the research, except for myself. After my wife of 44 years died in August, I have relentlessly pursued the OR. Have I found it? Let's see how the naysayers react to this post, and we'll see.
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Post by smallgree on Apr 14, 2019 20:12:08 GMT 1
The last recipe I cooked today was much too rich. I am going to backtrack, taking into account what Deep Taste revealed about the vials, and rework some old recipes. Does anybody know much about ThePieMan? Seems to be quite a belligerent cuss.
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Post by smallgree on Apr 18, 2019 17:12:41 GMT 1
This week I've been looking back at all the recipes I've tried, or just studied, throughout the years. I keep coming to the same conclusion; too much, too much, too much. Everything seems to drown out the pepper, which is the basis of Southern fried chicken. All the while, msg is denigrated to an also ran, although we all know the prominence of msg in the OR, and in all fast foods today. If we disregard the vials, which supposedly displays the 11 herbs and spices of KFC, a recipe vehemently condemned by CHS himself, then what do we have? Ledington's? 99X? The ramblings of CHS and/or his daughter and wife? The secretary? The author of a book? The inventor of a commercial pressure fryer? The labels on seasoning bags? Unknown, nonverified soothsayers? Yves said long ago that only taste mattered, but who is left that even remembers, and if they don't remember, or know, then what difference does it make? Faith has to be based upon some foundation. What is the correct foundation?
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Post by Deep Taste on Apr 18, 2019 18:36:00 GMT 1
Accumulative expierence, too many personal trials and logic.
Was Colonel sanders going to notice the difference in the recipe if you gave him a piece of chicken breaded with Thyme instead of Savory?! or 1/8 tsp of allspice instead of Cloves, or mace instead of nutmeg ?!
We want the major players in the recipe, Pepper is the most important thing, but I still miss one thing.
One thing I haven't tried yet, that brings me the smell I am looking for.
Sanders was carrying his seasoned flour on his back trying to sell it to resturants, Why ?! What was in it ?! some pepper mixed with poultry seasoning?! not in a million years, there was something special there, every resturant and his dog had poultry seasoning and pepper, Sanders found something, hid it in flour, and sold it, that is the secert.
When I find it, I will consider it mission completed.
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