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Post by deepfriednew101 on May 2, 2022 10:57:21 GMT 1
Cinnamon and Allspice were interchange in 99X ONLY BECAUSE of SHORTAGE of Cinnamon.
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Post by flg on May 2, 2022 12:38:19 GMT 1
Personally I have tried cinnamon twice now. Both times I felt it was overpowering and I could taste it. And not in a good way. Although I ended up using the left over seasoning as a dry rub on BBQ chicken. And the family loved it.
I seemed to have better results with nutmeg.
As always I am willing to try again if it seems to be leading to a good place
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Post by Silver on May 2, 2022 13:54:39 GMT 1
Cinnamon and Allspice were interchange in 99X ONLY BECAUSE of SHORTAGE of Cinnamon. One problem that replacing Allspice with Cinnamon, Nutmeg, and Clove brings along with it is that now there are two less slots available among the allotted eleven. I'll admit that it makes little difference to me if there are 11 or 22, but my opinions are irrelevant here, as in attempting to clone a likeness of KFC the only thing that really matters is what CHS did. AFAICT he said 11, but saying and doing are completely separate issues..
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Post by Silver on May 2, 2022 14:09:02 GMT 1
Interestingly enough, Grace's Blend, which uses Allspice as its most weighty addition, has factually only 8 H&S ingredients. This leaves plenty of room for exchanging Allspice for Cinnamon, Nutmeg, and Clove, with one slot still remaining. Ancho Pepper anyone? Turmeric? Cumin? Cardamom? Cayenne? Crushed Red Chili Pepper Flakes? Savory?, Tarragon? Garlic Powder? Garlic Salt? Etc...
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Post by Deep Taste on May 2, 2022 17:10:31 GMT 1
- When I put recipe DTXP 790, my purpose was to develop further the cooking temperature and the time used, I kept all the 5 ingredients from my last recipe 789, and I thought I can test one other spice since those 5 have melded very well together to form one note, and it will be a good chance to exclude some less favourite spices, thats how Cinnamon came to mind, and to be fair to it, I used a good quality so I can reduce the variables as possible. It was a huge surprise! I didn't expect this, I used Cinnamon before, but those were the days when I used to put 11 different herbs and spices in the mix. After 5-6 minutes of frying I started to feel a different fragrance filling the air, that lasted until today while I am writing! It was a new experience! After that I searched the internet and found a great article describing the effect of White Pepper, Ginger and Cinnamon in order to perfect good spice cookies. tastecooking.com/the-invisible-spice/My recipe DTXP 790 has nothing of the followings: Sage, Coriander, Allspice, Cloves, Nutmeg, Thyme, Savory, Marjoram, Garlic, Onion, Celery, Mustard, Anise, Cardamom, Vanilla, bay leaf.. And it gave me the best result and note than any recipe I fried during the last decade. I didn't imagine this, it was the right decision to start from Pepper and build up with your recipe, Those vials, X99, photos of different herbs and spices, the Sexton poultry seasoning, all those were waste of time, nothing of them carry the secret, it was this combination that made KFC special. Using White Pepper, Jamaica Ginger, Cinnamon, and the added MSG is Colonel Sanders great find! He was ahead of his time. Deep Taste
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Post by Silver on May 2, 2022 17:34:31 GMT 1
Deep Taste , you are breaking new ground! I've been mainly chasing the note via Eugenol oil. But you seem to be evolving the note with no sign of Eugenol.
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Post by Deep Taste on May 6, 2022 23:29:57 GMT 1
While coating my chicken I have noticed that I am using 50 % of the amount of my 300g flour plus the additions. Silver has also noticed that KFC says that carbohydrate grams are 6.5 grams per piece, half of what he calculated when using the whole 11340g Flour, noticing a loss factor for KFC coating mix of 50%. This photo of an old Ac'cent can give the recommendations of the amount of MSG needed, and it shows that for 100 lbs Poultry one needs 5 Oz of MSG. 25 lbs KFC Flour are for approximately 74 heads of chicken, 74 x 2.5 lbs = 185 lbs of chicken. Every 100 lbs need 5 Oz MSG according to Ac'cent recommendations above in the photo, that means we need 9.25 Oz of MSG on our 185 lbs Chicken. But we have a loss factor of 50 % so we need 2x 9.25 =18.5 Oz MSG to be added to the Flour. 185 lbs Chicken will only use half the amount of Flour, as I noticed in my trials, and as the carboheydrate calculations show. So we need 18.5 Oz MSG to be added to 11340 g Flour. That means, for my 300g Flour I need 13.875g MSG, that is almost exactly as I have suggested (12-14g MSG) 300g Flour 14g Pepper 12-14g MSG 2-4g Other Herbs and Spices. I think CHS might have read those recommendations the first time he was introduced to Ac'cent. Deep Taste
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Post by maceme on May 7, 2022 0:10:30 GMT 1
It is very interesting and intriguing. I suspect you are correct about using some guidelines from the manufacturers.
This idea of loss factor seems like a tricky thing. Where does the loss occur? Seasoned flour left in the lug? Dropped into the oil? Some other mechanism like high protein flour in play? Once locations stopped making biscuits on site, perhaps the flour changed somewhat also. I see at least one international flour company mentions they produce hard winter wheat for KFC , whereas the old manuals clearly specified soft winter wheat, but I suspect they also made biscuits in store, likely from the same flour, and it had to be low gluten for the texture.
Basically I’m not sure doubling the MSG calculation is justified. If so, wouldn’t you also season a 300g batch much less than a 400 ounce batch, because almost all the spices and MSG end up on the chicken in the small batch?
It seems like salt might have a similar calculation to be checked as carbohydrates, with chicken sodium levels, assuming un-marinated chicken. The breading salt should be spread over the pieces of number of heads breaded, less some loss factor, and the piece sodium levels should reflect the sum of the MSG and breading salt.
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Post by Deep Taste on May 7, 2022 0:23:46 GMT 1
I will show an example of my last tecipe:
I coated 1300g Chicken, that is 2.87 lbs Chicken.
Using Ac'cent recommendation I need for them 2.87÷100x5 = 0.1433 Oz = 4.06 g MSG.
I use 300g Flour 10g Milk Egg 30g Seasoning with MSG, 40g Salt, that is 380g total.
I coated the pieces using dipping in water method, shaking them 7 times and coating them and pressing them 7 times then shaking them.
I weighed the left Flour and it was 260 g
So I used 120 g on the pieces, that is 31.57 %
I used 13 g MSG, that means I got 13 x 0.3157 = 4.105 g !!!
Exactly like the recommendations of Ac'cent.
DT
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Post by Silver on May 7, 2022 0:55:50 GMT 1
Nice! Until now, no one has attempted to factor in the impact of leaving 50% of the flour mix behind as to MSG, etc...
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