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Post by Silver on Aug 11, 2023 14:01:27 GMT 1
I just read a web blurb on Summer Savory which states "Its taste is reminiscent of both oregano and thyme. ... Summer savory is a component of the herbal mixture known as "Herbes de Provence"
The same source states that Winter Savory tastes more "piney". Since Rosemary also tastes "piney", adding Rosemary may shift the flavor of Summer Savory more into a Winter Savory direction. Or just add Winter Savory and drop out the Rosemary. So many choices...
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Post by Silver on Aug 11, 2023 14:07:13 GMT 1
We all strongly express our own "Confirmation Bias" as our minds interpret various of snippets of information. Such bias leads our minds to literally fill in the "blanks" as we subconsciously wish, and thereby we presume as factual that which doesn't exist within such snippets. With the passing of time such 'fill ins' become fact for us. We thereby fabricate hard fact from pure confirmation bias induced fantasy.
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Post by flg on Aug 11, 2023 14:11:23 GMT 1
We all strongly express our own "Confirmation Bias" as our minds interpret various of snippets of information. Such bias leads our minds to literally fill in the "blanks" as we wish, and thereby we presume as factual that which doesn't exist within such snippets. With the passing of time such 'fill ins' become fact for us. We thereby fabricate hard fact from pure confirmation bias induced fantasy. That's why I started my timeline document. I keep all the articles as part of it and quote or link to source information when too much to pull into the document. I'm at 27 pages so far. And laid out in front of you. Things pop out for sure.
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Post by Silver on Aug 11, 2023 14:15:54 GMT 1
Here is an interesting quote from Grace's/Karl's twitter “For 50 years, we’ve been making our 12 spice blend giving you delicious fried chicken every time. As seen on @glenandfriendscooking Limerick, Ireland” So IF he really counts 3 grinds of pepper separately. Then Glen showed you 12 ingredients. It however doesn't set well with me. There may be a couple slots open for what was removed right there. I only count 8 ingredients within Glen's presentation of Grace's. Unless multiple grinds of Black Pepper are counted as individual ingredients that is. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 14:16:24 GMT 1
Actually, since Savory delivers both Thymol (Thyme) and Carvacrol (Oregano, and some Marjorams, though not all), Savory makes the addition of all of these others redundant. Might Savory as an ingredient open the door to a tiny addition (0.125 grams) of Rosemary in place of Marjoram/Oregano whereby to sum Herbs to 3 in keeping with the Vials (Sage, Savory, Rosemary)? Or simply to add another ingredient which is a non-Herb, such as perhaps Orange Zest, or perhaps Cardamom? Still just thinking...
An analysis of Summer Savory:
Edit: I've mentioned in the past that my bottle of Marjoram gives me zero hint of any Oregano like Carvacrol oil flavor. I've seen chemical analyses of Marjoram indicating anywhere from 0% to about 50% Carvacrol within it's oil. I've also seen Savory analyses which vary similarly as to either or both Thymol and Carvacrol. This makes for a big hit or miss potential with regard to each of our individual Herbs constituency. I could use my herbs at certain levels and if you try to duplicate me you may not come close to what I'm perceiving simply due to your Herbs having differing analyses than mine.
This thought is tempting. And makes some sense. However, how about all the commercial blends that include all three, Savory, Marjoram and Thyme? I am sure that they would have been the first to omit extra items if possible. But they don't. Because they are aware of the differences. Maybe we don't realise the differences because we use only very little herbs? So little, that it makes no difference which one we use at the bottom of the list at 0,075 grams? | Thyme | Earthy, piney | | Savory | Savory, meaty | | Marjoram | Sweet, floral |
Similar issue I have with Allspice, Cinnamon, Nutmeg and Clove. I keep asking myself why in the world would you need Allspice if you have the other three. Well, then again, all commercial Pumpkin Spice blends include Allspice too. They don't consider it redundant. I think it's about complexity and balance. |
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Post by Silver on Aug 11, 2023 14:25:04 GMT 1
The commercials can analyze each lot of their current H&S for constituent oils, and then blend various of H&S whereby to best duplicate an oils profile that delivers flavor/aroma consistency to the end user. We don't have this degree of freedom and latitude.
When we taste Herbs and Spices, we are factually tasting only their various of internal oils. The rest is just bulk fiber of little consequence. This is why oleoresin embedded oils can (and often do) sit in for the real (or better, whole) Herb or Spice without our ever knowing it.
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Post by Silver on Aug 11, 2023 14:27:39 GMT 1
If Glen delivers 8, and Grace states 12, perhaps Glen was holding out on certain ingredients intentionally, and counting the multiple Black Pepper grinds was a ruse whereby to cover for this.
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Post by flg on Aug 11, 2023 14:31:20 GMT 1
Here is another interesting point the placement of Sage. I think most folks tend to have it high in their own recipes. Somewhere close to after the peppers. Now if you look at the GGG 99x it clearly states where sage sits with it. I have yet to see savory listed on any bags including 99x. So I would expect it to be low in the mix. My own personal bias is 99x and Grace's are related. But I do try to keep open minded. So I would have expected sage to be higher in Karl's list.
Interestingly enough Todd Wilbur's clone recipe when you convert it to weight. Has savory higher than sage in his ingredients.
Glen does talk about a couple ingredients being in different orders but doesn't elaborate. He does mention it early after covering the peppers but I don't think you can assume he is just talking about the peppers. But obviously could be. I worry that he wanted to show one recipe and point out the difference in that ingredient. So did he normalize the other ingredients and in reality they aren't matching in order in each recipe?
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Post by Silver on Aug 11, 2023 14:40:21 GMT 1
I rather recently cooked a highly Savory forward recipe, and though both my Wife and I liked it, it seemed to be a step in the wrong direction if KFC OR likeness is the goal. Perhaps I just went way overboard and used way too much Savory. The intent was to evolve a lingering Pepper bite. Savory failed miserably in meeting my intent, as it did not deliver any lingering Pepper bite.
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Post by flg on Aug 11, 2023 14:45:31 GMT 1
I may take a shot to see whether Glen would confirm if sage was in the same "spot" for each recipe he was given. His answer would either really help my theory or destroy it. Either way, useful for me to know.
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