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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2023 22:17:09 GMT 1
According to this Australian government website, Black and White Pepper are listed under "Crop Group 028: Spices". (Although White Pepper only for convenience) apvma.gov.au/taxonomy/term/7716 |
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Post by flg on Aug 10, 2023 22:35:27 GMT 1
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Post by flg on Aug 10, 2023 22:42:53 GMT 1
The other thing about the 2019 bag example is. I think we assume extracts are in play by now. But not specifically called out on the bag. Would they be counted in the totals? Meaning classified as a spice or herb?
My non informed guess would be no. But I’d like to know for sure
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Post by Silver on Aug 10, 2023 22:42:57 GMT 1
According to this Australian government website, Black and White Pepper are listed under "Crop Group 028: Spices". (Although White Pepper only for convenience) apvma.gov.au/taxonomy/term/7716They must list things in reverse down under. |
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Post by Silver on Aug 11, 2023 13:04:02 GMT 1
My radical thought for the day:
I purely speculate (as in guess) that it might be the case that as part of the settlements of the likes of MK and Pat Grace when sued by KFC they were forbidden to use Savory (and possibly also Oregano) within their recipes. And I further speculate that their chosen work-around was to add Thyme and Marjoram.
Glen (of Glen and Friends) stated of Savory that it is not part of the recipe "although I can see how it might be". He also stated that he needed to discuss the likes of MK and Graces without giving away too much of what he had heard regarding the recipe (meaning perhaps the OR itself) from long phone discussions with Pat Grace, and his Canadian source. How else might he see that Savory might be an ingredient. Glen's "although I can see how it might be" was a Wink-Wink subtle and subliminal hint, without going too far...
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Post by flg on Aug 11, 2023 13:22:01 GMT 1
My radical thought for the day: I purely speculate (as in guess) that it might be the case that as part of the settlements of the likes of MK and Pat Grace when sued by KFC they were forbidden to use Savory (and possibly also Oregano) within their recipes. And I further speculate that their chosen work-around was to add Thyme and Marjoram. Glen (of Glen and Friends) stated of Savory that it is not part of the recipe "although I can see how it might be". He also stated that he needed to discuss the likes of MK and Graces without giving away too much of what he had heard regarding the recipe (meaning perhaps the OR itself) from long phone discussions with Pat Grace, and his Canadian source. How else might he see that Savory might be an ingredient. Glen's "although I can see how it might be" was a Wink-Wink subtle and subliminal hint, without going too far... I think you need to go back and listen again to that part. His Canadian source used Savory in the spot that Karl used Allspice. When he talks about mixing up and trying. He his not specifically talking about savory. He does say he hears savory a lot and it could be, he doesn't know. Then generalizes he has mixed up these ingredients....
Personally I can see companies being forced to use less herbs and spices. Specific ones I don't buy in to. Now we know Lee was banned from tarragon vinegar in his coleslaw. But other than DFN who won't provide proof. That is the only listed ingredient for a specific product called out.
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Post by flg on Aug 11, 2023 13:30:21 GMT 1
Here is an interesting quote from Grace's/Karl's twitter
“For 50 years, we’ve been making our 12 spice blend giving you delicious fried chicken every time. As seen on @glenandfriendscooking Limerick, Ireland”
So IF he really counts 3 grinds of pepper separately. Then Glen showed you 12 ingredients. It however doesn't set well with me. There may be a couple slots open for what was removed right there.
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Post by Silver on Aug 11, 2023 13:33:01 GMT 1
Actually, since Savory delivers both Thymol (Thyme) and Carvacrol (Oregano, and some Marjorams, though not all), Savory makes the addition of all of these others redundant. Might Savory as an ingredient open the door to a tiny addition (0.125 grams) of Rosemary in place of Marjoram/Oregano whereby to sum Herbs to 3 in keeping with the Vials (Sage, Savory, Rosemary)? Or simply to add another ingredient which is a non-Herb, such as perhaps Orange Zest, or perhaps Cardamom? Still just thinking...
An analysis of Summer Savory:
Edit: I've mentioned in the past that my bottle of Marjoram gives me zero hint of any Oregano like Carvacrol oil flavor. I've seen chemical analyses of Marjoram indicating anywhere from 0% to about 50% Carvacrol within it's oil. I've also seen (as well as posted here on this forum) Savory analyses which vary similarly as to either or both Thymol and Carvacrol. This makes for a big hit or miss potential with regard to each of our individual Herbs constituency. I could use my herbs at certain levels and if you try to duplicate me you may not come close to what I'm perceiving simply due to your Herbs having differing analyses than mine.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Aug 11, 2023 13:52:37 GMT 1
Let Me Be Clear
The ONLY ingredient that was specifically Named was Tarragon and Competitors were Barred from No more then 5 Ingredient's in the 1966 Famous Brand Court Case this had implications on BOTH Marion Kay and Pat Grace.
I Guess the Video I watched of Glen and Friend cooking the Last recipe where He discusses Savory and the Other ingredient list From the Canadian Contact which is From Scott Villa Family KFC and Karl in UK
Glen commented that Savory / Allspice were the next ingredients after the First 5 which Both agreed on
Glen said the Canadian Contact stated Savory and Karl suggested Allspice
Glen suggested the Summery Savory comes up in MANY recipes he viewed about KFC ingredients BUT Karl stated Allspice.
Glen Did Suggest He had Multiple Long conversations with Karl after many e-mails and He also spoke to his contact twice in Canada.
Let me Suggest something Glen has had Tons of phone calls with many people in the last 4 years of Deep KFC cooking, He also started His work on KFC Commercials in 1995 with KFC Scott Villa Family.
Glen DID NOT get amounts associated with the Recipe's, Many people who Know Glens Canadian Contact and Karl ALL say They Did Not give Glen the Amounts ONLY the ingredient List Karl has even said this is NOT the Original KFC Recipe List and its posted on The web site.
The recipe Glen Has is a 1980's version and does not match the ingredients list that Tommy S got into the Court Battle with NEW AGE KFC from 1965 BUT KFC also Claims that Tommy recipe is SHORT 5 ingredients
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Aug 11, 2023 13:59:32 GMT 1
The News article ONLY Printed that Tarragon and Tarragon Vinegar was Barred From the Coleslaw making and also restricted the use of Cracklin from the Gravy.
The court paper work Filed for the Court Case was Much more specific to details, There was ONLY 1 New Paper reporter who Wrote about the Case and Did NOT understand Court Process BUT tried their best for referencing the Case, BUT missed other key items which is what has happen in ALL other court cases
Karl does speak about 12 Ingredients and So Did Bill S from Marion Kay who added 1 other items to the Original Recipe
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