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Post by Silver on Nov 14, 2021 12:11:35 GMT 1
Post everything you know (or want to know) about the 26 ounce bag here.
To get the ball rolling, I would like to know the year in which the 26 ounce H&S bag first made it's appearance. The significance of this is critical to determining if the bag predates the period in which fantastic tasting KFC_OR began to devolve into inferior tasting KFC_OR. If great chicken was indeed being made via the bag, then 26 ounces of H&S plus MSG and a bit of Salt, when added to 25 Lbs. of Cake Flour plus 3 Lbs. of additional Salt is totally sufficient.
25 Lbs. = 400 ounces, such that the ratio of 26 ounces of H&S into 400 in ounces of Flour can be directly transition scaled down to 26 grams into 400 grams, or 13 grams into 200 grams.
The general cloners presumption to date has been that (for the specific case of 200 grams of flour) about 3 to 3.5 grams (give or take) is MSG and about 1 to 1.5 grams (give or take) is Salt, and thus only 'ballpark' 8 to 9 grams are actual H&S. On top of this, roughly 5 grams (give or take) are presumed to be Pepper, in a ratio presumed to be close to 3 grams White and 2 grams Black. That leaves only 3 to 4 grams for all of the other of the (presumed to be 11) H&S.
The real question thus becomes: Is it possible that fantastic chicken breading/coating can be made by adding only 3 to 4 grams of 'non-Pepper' H&S to 200 grams of flour?
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Post by Silver on Nov 14, 2021 12:14:24 GMT 1
H&S = Herbs and Spices
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Post by Silver on Nov 14, 2021 12:28:19 GMT 1
In Metric System nations the bag generally states a weight of 740 grams. This equates to ~26.1 Ounces.
Edit: And the flour bags state 11.34 Kg. (which equals 25 Lbs.)
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Post by flg on Nov 14, 2021 16:58:44 GMT 1
Post everything you know (or want to know) about the 26 ounce bag here. To get the ball rolling, I would like to know the year in which the 26 ounce H&S bag first made it's appearance. The significance of this is critical to determining if the bag predates the period in which fantastic tasting KFC_OR began to devolve into inferior tasting KFC_OR. If great chicken was indeed being made via the bag, then 26 ounces of H&S plus MSG and a bit of Salt, when added to 25 Lbs. of Cake Flour plus 3 Lbs. of additional Salt is totally sufficient. 25 Lbs. = 400 ounces, such that the ratio of 26 ounces of H&S into 400 in ounces of Flour can be directly transition scaled down to 26 grams into 400 grams, or 13 grams into 200 grams. The general cloners presumption to date has been that (for the specific case of 200 grams of flour) about 3 to 3.5 grams (give or take) is MSG and about 1 to 1.5 grams (give or take) is Salt, and thus only 'ballpark' 8 to 9 grams are actual H&S. On top of this, roughly 5 grams (give or take) are presumed to be Pepper, in a ratio presumed to be close to 3 grams White and 2 grams Black. That leaves only 3 to 4 grams for all of the other of the (presumed to be 11) H&S. The real question thus becomes: Is it possible that fantastic chicken breading/coating can be made by adding only 3 to 4 grams of 'non-Pepper' H&S to 200 grams of flour? It would help a ton to know when the 26oz bag showed up.
I question seeing recipes with .06g of any Herb added to 400g of flour? That just seems like it would get swallowed up in the flour and any left would probably diminish quickly in the heat of the drop.
I think you can make good chicken with 3-4g of H&S into 200g of flour. My Kitchen sink did that. And as of last nights leftover test. It did it quite well. Can be better for sure. But I have lots of room to move things around in a much smaller recipe ingredients wise. But to replicate at home and using open frying. I do think zinging works. Maybe 13g of the mix to 170g of flour or something would replicate a zing
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Post by Silver on Dec 3, 2021 23:41:35 GMT 1
I'm re-visiting the 26 ounce (740 gram) bag, and concentrating upon the ingredients list.  Flavor enhancer 621 is MSG Notice that the list states explicitly: Ingredients: Flavor Enhancer 621, Spices, Herbs, SaltPresumably these are listed by law in descending weight order. Also notice that it separates Spices and Herbs. And that Salt comes last. All Herbs are Spices, but not all Spices are Herbs. Herbs are spices that are also leaves. So the greatest overall quantity in the bag is MSG, at a level that surpasses the sum total for all other subsequent categories. Allow this to sink in for a moment. There is more MSG by weight than for the sum total of all of the weights of all of the non-leaf Spices combined.
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Post by Silver on Dec 4, 2021 12:38:36 GMT 1
So the greatest overall quantity in the bag is MSG, at a level that surpasses the sum total for all other subsequent categories. Allow this to sink in for a moment. There is more MSG by weight than for the sum total of all of the weights of all of the non-leaf Spices combined.Edit whereby to correct the above: So the greatest overall quantity in the bag is MSG, at a level that surpasses the sum total for the next in line subsequent ingredient category. Allow this to sink in for a moment. There is more MSG by weight than for the sum total of all of the weights of all of the non-leaf Spices combined. |
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Post by Silver on Dec 4, 2021 21:21:42 GMT 1
I'm surprised that there have been zero comments on this.
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Post by flg on Dec 6, 2021 1:59:52 GMT 1
Another one from an older batch MSG, Herbs & Spices, Salt, Garlic Powder  |
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Post by flg on Dec 6, 2021 2:02:54 GMT 1
Should mention the picture of the bag Silver posted was from Australia as well.
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Post by flg on Dec 6, 2021 2:15:29 GMT 1
If you consider that pepper has to be included in the "spices" then the MSG has to weigh more than all the other ingredients set aside any additional salt and Garlic powder.
I found a couple photos of what appears to be yet older bags that also list the ingredients in the same weight order as the photo I posted above. So it appears that the majority of folks seem to clone the weight of 99X more in their 26oz mixes.
The recipe I have been working on for my next cook. I have been using the term "less is more" when constructing it. Some of the lowest amounts of items I have ever tried. It may lend itself to this weighting.
Of course, perhaps this is why folks don't like KFC much past the mid 70's. Maybe the mix has reduced Herbs and Spices and increased MSG to compensate?
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