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Post by Silver on Nov 8, 2021 19:24:10 GMT 1
So back to full circle on this. We know Salt and MSG are not counted in the 11. But is pepper, either white or black, actually counted in the 11? The thing that makes me think possibly no. Is the fact in a couple court cases. The result was they could use Salt and Pepper and MSG plus only 5 H&S. I've asked this before. Is this random or are they saying you can only use half of the H&S ingredients from the OR recipe plus pepper, plus Salt? (garlic is a given, it is printed at list has been for awhile). Also question for the statements above. If, they are using grandfathering clauses from 1905 laws and saying we still fall under them. Would that imply KFC are willing to say we have never changed any of the 11 ingredients of the OR since 1955. Not once. I'd expect any changes and you would fall outside the grandfathered clause. I guess the only way out would be if way back when you had an agreed upon substitution listing for some of them. If no one including the various Governments of the Nations of Earth knows what was in it, KFC is free to change it at will as long as they don't ever publicly proclaim it. Who is going to know? If Coca-Cola had simply changed their formula back in the 80's no one would likely have known. But they decided to make a huge marketing campaign out of it, and it backfired on them big time. The main (and perhaps only) change was to replace sugar with HFCS. Guess whats in it, even after they said they had returned to the "original" formula. HFCS. Whatever 'New Coke' was supposed to be, we've likely been drinking it since the 80's. Pepsi changed out sugar for HFCS back then also, but didn't make a public proclamation of it. The only thing I've ever heard KFC mention changing is when they were mandated to remove trans-fats from their cooking oils, right along with everyone else. |
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Post by Silver on Nov 8, 2021 19:30:32 GMT 1
For all we know, there may be 11 core H&S that don't change, and on top of that, several additional spices which do change, perhaps from region to region. I'm OK with giving 16-17 (or more) ingredients a go. If it was strictly 11, and they have all commonly been around since circa 1935, then someone would have grasped the brass ring and cloned it by know. I think that the brass ring may require a handful of "variable" ingredients. Plus the "fixed" (or core) 11.
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Post by flg on Nov 8, 2021 19:36:30 GMT 1
For all we know, there may be 11 core H&S that don't change, and on top of that, several additional spices which do change, perhaps from region to region. I'm OK with giving 16-17 (or more) ingredients a go. If it was strictly 11, and they have all commonly been around since circa 1935, then someone would have grasped the brass ring and cloned it by know. I think that the brass ring may require a handful of "variable" ingredients. Plus the "fixed" (or core) 11. Pretty much where I am at as well. MSG, Salt, Pepper (? in in/out) then (11 H&S that are the formula)+ (regional or local items). So correct hitting 15 or 16 unique items would be easily possible. My "Kitchen Sink" was my best recipe and cook to-date and I was @ 16 I think.
Quite possibly why it's so hard to clone. The 11 limit is a powerful suggestion.
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Post by Silver on Nov 8, 2021 19:43:57 GMT 1
Off topic, but if I was going to guess at the difference between Pepsi and Coke, my guess would be that Pepsi puts a wee-dash of lemon juice in their recipe, and Coca-Cola does not.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Nov 8, 2021 20:11:46 GMT 1
There is NO Doubt in my Mind that CHS use BOTH
Onion & Garlic Personal observation shows that Onion was more used then the Garlic in recipes.
All recipes of Old CHS used shows 1 to 2 medium or large Onions
1 to 3 cloves of Garlic average 1 1/2 Garlic Cloves per Onion
Tablespoons of Salt
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Post by flg on Nov 8, 2021 20:40:05 GMT 1
Posted this on the Building Block Thread. 5 tbls chopped dried onion 1 tbls granulated garlic No use of Onion Powder which I see in a lot of cases.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Nov 8, 2021 20:54:07 GMT 1
CHS did use garlic Powder in some recipes but it was limited amount but it was used always fresh chopped and minced onion
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 22:00:07 GMT 1
So when KFC state that Paprika is one of the 11 and print it on their packaging, they are what?
a) lying
b) referring their post-colonel 11
c) can't distinguish between paprika and (chili) peppers
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 22:17:01 GMT 1
Off topic, but if I was going to guess at the difference between Pepsi and Coke, my guess would be that Pepsi puts a wee-dash of lemon juice in their recipe, and Coca-Cola does not. I would rather say Coca Cola uses a dash more cinnamon or vanilla. It tastes more sweetish to me than Pepsi, although the sugar content is almost the same. Vanilla is said to be mildly addictive. This would explain a lot  |
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Nov 8, 2021 22:18:18 GMT 1
Red Pepper and Cayenne vs Paprika
The question becomes when KFC New AGE listed the Paprika and in what recipe?
I will look at the NEW AGE KFC and there flip flop of items and changes plus countries across the world.
KFC list Turmeric as a color agent in some countries.
Cayenne peppers, paprika, natural chilli flavour, garlic powder was listed on overseas ingredient list for spicy chicken and other KFC items it was listed as a ingredient on some Original Chicken
I will say this the Original KFC spices were RED color NOT Green NOT Brown Not other color it was a Red and distinctive Red the new age KFC is NOT the same and changed in the late 70's
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