Cloves And Allspice

Both contain Eugenol, but so do a number of other spices.

Glen (of Glen and Friends) initially rigorously faulted recipes containing cloves, then later embraced them in the recipe of Dustin, only to abandon them again in the final/final episode.

Use small quantities.

All of the ingredients clove, Star Anise, Tarragon have been used in the KFC recipe

Allspice was used more with Brown / Massey as a incerted spice when other spices were hard to obtain and shortages were a situation.

The one thing many people believe is that The New Age KFC Corporation ONLY made changes for cost cutting savings. THIS IS NOT TRUE. In many circumstances it cost Brown and Massey more money over-all.

One of the First issues that Brown and Massey has was the Pepper situation. in the late 1960's The Tellicherry Pepper had a shortage due to a poor crop production year from source. They them scrambled and Hired outside sources and engineers to find a solution.

This is where the the Engineers from Winston Group, Kraft, and Sexton, were employed with the task for a solution.

Pepper was the NUMBER 1 Problem.

Bill Summers from Marion-Kay also secured a excusive contract for the supply of Tellicherry to the USA. He had even spoke about the situation that there was NOT enough Tellicherry to Supply ALL of KFC needs for the world. When this was learned by Brown and Massey they scrambled for a solution and started experimenting with other Peppers and also incert spices to replace some of the Pepper %.

When KFC New Age had found a like or as Pepper replacement they started to have other shortages of other spices. They then incorporated there own Research & Development Department. There focus was Find replacement for ALL the Spices they use.

WHAT most people here now are failing to understand is the SPICE WORLD of the 1930's to the 1960's was a DIFFERENT WORLD then 2021. In the early 1980's Spices Laws changed from the 1900's early laws

The regulators of the Spice world in the 30's 40's 50's 60's were rootless and hard hitting with BIG FINES when you stepped outside the PURE SPICE LAW it was NO joke. $ 100,000.00 fines were hit hard and often. It buckled many spice companies.

The Big ones survived. They were the ones who had already understood the Blending of the Lower qualities of spices to Blends and Combinations of Spices.

it was also in the 60's the Stone Mills for spice Rub and cold crush spices were coming to the End of there Lift span for the speed the Big Manufactures wanted to push then Volume. Early times were a slow steady pace volume without a 24/7 operation. The Volumes required By the New Age frozen Processed food explodes and more spices were needed. Turning the Speed up and the extra Hours on equipment DID NOT work for the Stone Mills except maintenance issues.

New Steel Grinding machines were incorporated BUT it was also at HUGE expense to the Quality of the Spices.

Some Companies even started Blending the Old Stone Spices with the New age Plants to boost there overall quality.

in short the Spices were Changed Drastically for quality.

KFC had to incorporate Extracts as a Booster and then they saw the COST saving and went NUTS on cost saving over quality.

I know this is a long winded explanation BUT its very critical for EVERYONE to understand with spices. I have spent so many hours on Spice History and spoke with the Best Spice companies know for there answers. Bill S was a knowledge that few have. EXCEPT CHS who was the Best, His taste was off the chart with a ability very few had.

SO a 26oz bag of spice from the early day was a POWER punch Way more then a 26oz amount today for starters. Some Spice Makers assess a 20% difference or more to achieve the OLD spice Quality of the 1960's to 1970's

Original Recipes from the 1920's and 1930's were almost ALL in teaspoons except for Salt and Flour use. Pepper was between teaspoon and Tablespoons BUT the Pepper was a Major item in Sausage and it used Tablespoons because of sheer VOLUME.

ALL THE 1930's Spice Tins were designed for Teaspoon used with a wide middle opening and a shaker hole side and a tablespoon pour side. It is still used in the 2021 same Patent from 1930's

Please add your knowledge base to what is posted.

BUT understand that Spices have changed from the 1930's to NOW it does NOT mean the OLD recipes cannot be recreated it means they must be reworked for calculations of Amounts and Values