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Post by herb11 on Mar 4, 2024 2:58:19 GMT 1
I don’t know if most of you operate under the assumption that the order of herbs and spices have to go in descending order. I know I have for a while now and I don’t know where I got that idea from. But what if you didn’t necessarily have to go in descending order. What if you had like three or four spices of the same amount? Of course this would depend of which spices we’re talking about as some might be more potent and noticeable compared to others. Forgive me if this has been discussed before. But for me I want to try and break this “rule” at least for the time being.
Do you think it’s necessary? What are your thoughts?
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Post by smallgree on Mar 4, 2024 6:22:08 GMT 1
If the same weight, go in alphabetical order. Example, if sumac is listed before clove, then they are not the same weight, and sumac must be heavier. If they were the same weight, then clove would be listed before sumac. Clove could also be heavier, but this is where math comes in in calculating weights. Sumac thus could be equal in weight, but not heavier than clove.
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Post by Silver on Mar 4, 2024 13:35:46 GMT 1
I don’t know if most of you operate under the assumption that the order of herbs and spices have to go in descending order. I know I have for a while now and I don’t know where I got that idea from. But what if you didn’t necessarily have to go in descending order. What if you had like three or four spices of the same amount? Of course this would depend of which spices we’re talking about as some might be more potent and noticeable compared to others. Forgive me if this has been discussed before. But for me I want to try and break this “rule” at least for the time being. Do you think it’s necessary? What are your thoughts? Labeling law varies by country. In some countries the order must be descending by weight, with (as smallgree stated) ties broken by alphabetic order. In other countries the ordering is done differently. It seems that some countries place the additives and preservatives and other adjuncts such as flavor enhancers and emulsifiers first in line.
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Post by Silver on Mar 4, 2024 13:37:52 GMT 1
Given that KFC lists exactly none of the 11 H&S ingredients (unless one presumes that Pepper(s) and Garlic and possibly Salt are H&S ingredients) this seems like a moot point.
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Post by Silver on Mar 4, 2024 13:45:38 GMT 1
Any Southern USA deep fried Chicken worth eating will contain Salt, Black Pepper, and either Cayenne or Tabasco Pepper (or both). It's a fair bet that CHS began with these. And then he began adding H&S ingredients...
I'm on record as stating that if CHS wanted to sell deep fried Chicken in the South, it quite likely had to be hotter in overall pepper flavors than what he was forced to morph it into in order to sell it to the wimps up north.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 4, 2024 15:21:23 GMT 1
Let ME Explain this being Licensed to Import and Export Spices and Herbs from multiple Countries for over 30 Years
Items Must Be listed in Order of highest Amount items listed FIRST items with same amounts in Alphabetical Order
Items which are list as Mandatory Listed items by way of allergen or Other regulation MUST BE LISTED and DO NOT have to Follow the order of weight rule THEY just have to be Listed as regulations BUT Do NOT say they MUST be listed in the volume order.
Spices and Herbs are Considered Safe items and DO NOT have to be listed unless the Packager WANTS to List the Items.
Salts ... or seasoned salt Celery, Garlic, Onion can be listed as SALT
Extracts Must Be listed
Color Based Spices or Herbs Must be listed as Color items ... Hint You cannot remove the Flavor while its a color additive ... BUT you can remove the Color and its then washed or a extract which removes pigment BUT not flavor. This is why occasionally YOU see Turmeric listed as Turmeric Color and Turmeric Extract it may have needed more flavor and NO more color so extract was used.
There is NO Law anywhere which indicated a recipe which says 11 secret ingredients MUST ONLY be 11 Ingredients or herbs of Spices HELATH LAWS to NOT fine for False advertising That's a Consumer Law Breach.
Mislabel or wrong item ingredient will be sanctioned with RE-Call and return Media posting especially with Allergens BUT also any miss label other times.
Onion and Garlic are WHAT is Called Customer Preference items TYPICCALLY listed By Packager as a Courtesy By Packager due to Public Preference of taste.
In K.F.C. example C.H.S. FROM THE Start admitted that Salt, and Pepper were the First two items with Flour Salt Mandatory, Pepper was disclosed so who cared if On Label and it then Hides the fact that Pimento is part of the Black Spec's in the Coating Everyone thinks it's ONLY Pepper hidden fact its also Pimento spec's which increase Aroma ?
Other chemical additives and preservatives are Mandatory listed BUT Do Not follow weight rule as general
A mix could be Blended like this and listed
Salt, Garlic, Spices, Dextrose, Natural Ingredient, Vegetable Oil (LEGAL to list items which fall under Natural Ingredient instead of Name in many Instances) Because All Spices are considered Safe they can be listed as Spices.
All ALL ALL spice companies can use a 5-10% amount on recipes due to scale Variance ETC ETC and then they can also lump items under words spices or herbs
60 – 70% Salt 10 – 15% Garlic 5 – 10 % Spices 5 – 10 % Sugar 1 – 5% Onion <1 Vegetable Oil (MFG AID)
81% – 110%
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Post by cman on Mar 4, 2024 17:18:44 GMT 1
DeepFried, what’s the minimum temperature for the oil to create an oil based extract?
I tried a room temperature extract on the mix and it takes a long time to get results. And the oil aroma obtained is weak.
Would the extract be then added to the dry mix or added to the marinade? If added to the mix, how would that affect the weights of the H & S?
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 4, 2024 19:43:00 GMT 1
Extracts are added to either Salt or a common Carrier like Corn Starch typically.
Extracts are processed either through Cold press, Grinding, or Heat Extraction.
We use cold press typically for extraction as it's much easier than other Process and less Labor, as for the Method for Heat extraction I Do not have all the steps and Procedure to follow which typically starts with a Citric Acid stabilization for preservative (I Do Not have the full procedure with me as its specific for safety Health process if your commercially)
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Post by Silver on Mar 4, 2024 20:27:31 GMT 1
I think Maltodextrin can also be used as a deposition carrier for extracts.
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Post by smallgree on Mar 5, 2024 4:09:57 GMT 1
Slam! And down you go!
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