smallgree
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Post by smallgree on Jan 31, 2024 6:20:30 GMT 1
Isn't it odd that Lipton's tomato soup mix is no longer available on store shelves. Bought out?
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Post by Silver on Jan 31, 2024 12:51:09 GMT 1
Fenugreek is a legume plant. I’ve read it would have a reaction to people with peanut allergies and probably not in the recipe without disclosure. I followed up on this, and indeed it is recommended to avoid Fenugreek if you are sensitive to peanuts.
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Post by Chickenman on Jan 31, 2024 13:41:23 GMT 1
Fenugreek is a legume plant. I’ve read it would have a reaction to people with peanut allergies and probably not in the recipe without disclosure. I followed up on this, and indeed it is recommended to avoid Fenugreek if you are sensitive to peanuts. And yet you ignore the part it is so rare, it is not even required to at all be declared as an allergen? If it were anything serious it would be required to be declared as an allergen. "While especially anaphylactic reactions to fenugreek are RARE!" "My son CAN! consume fenugreek with a peanut allergy." "it’s a common ingredient in basic curry powder from the store." gtfo with your allergy bs. There's even allergies to black pepper, oh guess pepper is out now! Fenugreek seed IS in the recipe.
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Post by Chickenman on Jan 31, 2024 13:52:33 GMT 1
"The most problematic spices for allergy sufferers are celery, garlic, cinnamon, sesame, tumeric, onion, and mustard. Mustard allergy is the most common among the spice allergies. Black pepper and vanilla have also been reported to cause an allergic reaction."
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Post by cman on Jan 31, 2024 14:11:42 GMT 1
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jan 31, 2024 16:30:31 GMT 1
Knor Has some Powdered Tomato Soup available as a exchange to Lipton
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2024 16:41:51 GMT 1
The KFC menu is full of allergens. There is Mustard in the Zinger, but not in the OR, Celery in popcorn chicken, but not in the OR. In some place it's the other way around. But fact is, Mustard and Celery are in Sauces, Mayos everywhere.
Here is my point: Why would you remove Mustard and Celery from the OR, if you use it in hundreds of other dishes at the same time?
The reason Mustard and Celery are not included in many countries cannot be because they're allergens. If allergics would be a critical target group, they would avoid these items in other dishes as well. Which they don't. They also don't separate well enough in their kitchens against contaminations.
A) So could it be that Mustard and Celery were introduced later? Introduced to make up for country-specific MSG limitations to add back more zing, hence the inclusion in the zinger everywhere? Or included in countries where people are used to more spice punch like the Arab and Asian world? Or
B) Are they indeed OR items but omitted and reintroduced at different times? Omitted because not note critical and reintroduced for different markets or to be able to be marketed as original again?
Please note this is not an attack or case against Mustard or Celery, so don't feel emotionally triggered to tell me how critical and delicious you personally find them. I am interested in a productive and objective exchange about this.
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Post by smallgree on Jan 31, 2024 22:13:23 GMT 1
I agree totally that there have been major mix and match and exchange decisions made by KFC throughout the years.
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Post by Chickenman on Jan 31, 2024 22:27:41 GMT 1
And yet all the other companies selling products containing Fenugreek are risking it? and in much higher amounts than the small amount needed in the recipe. And what pay out when it doesn't need to be declared as an allergen? you absolutely cannot substitute fenugreek with star anise, or fennel/anise. Those give sweet anise flavours. Fenugreek is savoury.
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Post by underpressure on Feb 1, 2024 1:11:05 GMT 1
All my experience, and more recently, articles that I’ve read (this is not an often used spice in my kitchen)have been that it has a sweet aroma with bitter flavor. Like a boarder line nutty burnt sugar. Not savory. When added to recipes, the bitterness seems to dilute into other ingredients and the sweet, maple-like aroma stays. I’ve only had fenugreek in curries, a couple BBQ dry rubs, crème brûlée, and in a recipe for waffles that a chef I worked for made.
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