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Post by DutchGuy on Feb 21, 2024 0:41:08 GMT 1
I don't understand the logic here tbh. The customary practice is to disclose only the final packaging or production facility, regardless of the multiple sources involved. It's neither typical nor obligatory to list every individual source or component supplier in the process. The final manufacturer or processor is responsible for verifying that the product meets quality standards, including packaging, labeling, and any applicable regulatory requirements. If company C mixes, packs, and seals seasonings sourced from A and B, company C becomes the sole responsible entity listed for the product. Check your pantry. This sounds like a false dilemma to me. If company A and company B each produce half of the secret recipe, and company C combines both parts (all to keep the recipe secret), then how can the entire ingredient list be displayed on the packaging? |
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Post by Silver on Feb 21, 2024 1:10:30 GMT 1
If company A and company B each produce half of the secret recipe, and company C combines both parts (all to keep the recipe secret), then how can the entire ingredient list be displayed on the packaging? Yet more sound logic! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2024 2:20:40 GMT 1
I don't understand the logic here tbh. The customary practice is to disclose only the final packaging or production facility, regardless of the multiple sources involved. It's neither typical nor obligatory to list every individual source or component supplier in the process. The final manufacturer or processor is responsible for verifying that the product meets quality standards, including packaging, labeling, and any applicable regulatory requirements. If company C mixes, packs, and seals seasonings sourced from A and B, company C becomes the sole responsible entity listed for the product. Check your pantry. This sounds like a false dilemma to me. If company A and company B each produce half of the secret recipe, and company C combines both parts (all to keep the recipe secret), then how can the entire ingredient list be displayed on the packaging? My point was more that there will always only be one entity listed, no matter how many sources are involved in the process. If company B adds to the first half and will also pack and label the final product at full transparency, of course they will know the ingredients. At least. However, KFC's legal department could provide the label order and final ingredient list to them. Company B thus must not be provided with exact ratios, quantities, origins or chemical compositions from company A. Especially in times of extracts, the order will not reveal much to you. There are different types of extracts with various levels of potency on the market. I know this is a stretch, but it is possible to remain a degree of secrecy. But I personally would agree with Silver. It could have been practise back in the days. And maybe both Griffith Laboratories and McCormick are still involved. But they will both have a very good idea about the recipe. They have professional labs, top notch. Tbh, I personally don't believe in the Arab bag. I just wanted to help with the translation. |
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Post by smallgree on Feb 21, 2024 9:05:43 GMT 1
Or maybe company A, mixes one of CHS's blends, and company B mixes one of CHS's other blends, and Company C blends them both together. Thus the generic ingredient lists: MSG, white pepper, black pepper, HERBS and SPICES, garlic. The old shell game.
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Post by DutchGuy on Feb 21, 2024 12:30:47 GMT 1
Tbh, I personally don't believe in the Arab bag. I just wanted to help with the translation. I agree with that, unless: the generic ingredient lists: MSG, white pepper, black pepper, HERBS and SPICES, garlic. The old shell game. |
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Post by DutchGuy on Mar 3, 2024 16:08:59 GMT 1
Just for the record, I had it translated by someone who reads/writes Arabic and speaks Dutch. This was the result:  - Paprika
- Hot Pepper
- Basil
- Watercress (this stuff, not this stuff)
- Cumin
- Cinnamon
- Cardamom
- Ginger
- Mustard
- Celery
These are not in the translation:VanillaAnanias SeedCorianderDillRelish
These are:- Turmeric
- Caraway
- Alum
- Fennel
- Radish
- Saffron
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Post by Silver on Mar 3, 2024 16:27:44 GMT 1
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Post by DutchGuy on Mar 3, 2024 19:25:13 GMT 1
This is the text: If you translate it in different translators (google, chatgpt, deepl, etc), you'll get several different variations. Have fun  |
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 3, 2024 20:30:06 GMT 1
It's Smoke and Mirrors of the Past that 2 independent Facilities' Mix the Seasoning then One send it to the other for packaging into 1 Bag and Distributed.
There are More than 1 Company who Packages seasoning for K.F.C. and that is Indicated By the Global Facility Number on many Items.
In Western Canada McCormick Packages Spice for K.F.C. in Alberta to distribute to Western Provinces. 1 company Does the whole Bag no second company.
Remember Different countries HAVE REGIONAL ingredient's which have been incorporated into the seasoning mix, and can vary between Countries.
When the Arabic Bags are reverse engineered I guess that will disclose what items may or may not be in the Bag's.
The Primary issue with reverse engineering NEW AGE Bags of Seasoning is ALL the Seasoning is Ground to the same size and consistency of screening NOT like the Old seasoning Like Bill S. from Marion kay worked with. The reverse engineering of A K.F.C. New Age is a Hard process and requires specific separation equipment to determine each volume. Then you add the Extract and its a hard reverse for Volume.
The determining of specific items is Not the issue when you have Names to associate and Type as reference and control items as markers.
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Post by Silver on Mar 3, 2024 20:32:50 GMT 1
ChatGPT says:
"Please mix the following herbs together (sweet pepper, fennel seeds, basil, caraway, cardamom, celery, coriander, hot watercress, cumin seeds, black cumin, radish, mustard, hot pepper, cumin powder, anise, oregano, turmeric, and vanilla), salt, and garlic powder."
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