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Post by smallgree on Jan 2, 2024 17:49:10 GMT 1
This forum is going to die with BULLIES aboard. I'm going to be short and to the point. There ain't no way anyone pulled crushed nigella seeds off of cooked KFC chicken and crunched them between their teeth. Doesn't mean they're not there, it just means the idea of IDing them this way is BS. Get a microscope image, or shut up.
VARIOUS BS:
"I have the recipe, but I can't show it, in the meantime, I am the resident expert"
"These vials are legit, because they support my opinion, and teeth; these vials are not legit, because they don't show my opinions, and there just aren't enough of them"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 21:19:11 GMT 1
This forum is going to die with BULLIES aboard. I'm going to be short and to the point. There ain't no way anyone pulled crushed nigella seeds off of cooked KFC chicken and crunched them between their teeth. Doesn't mean they're not there, it just means the idea of IDing them this way is BS. Get a microscope image, or shut up. VARIOUS BS: "I have the recipe, but I can't show it, in the meantime, I am the resident expert" "These vials are legit, because they support my opinion, and teeth; these vials are not legit, because they don't show my opinions, and there just aren't enough of them" I possess a real KFC seasoning bag, along with 99-X and a bag of Grace's. Following a meticulous examination, both in the raw and cooked states, which involved picking, sifting, and extracting specks with water, I could not discern any flavour reminiscent of nigella. The black specks present seem to be solely black pepper. Moreover, individuals whom I deem reliable have never identified nigella in KFC seasonings. I hold no objection if it turns out to be part of the OR. My stance is impartial, without any biases against or in favour of this ingredient. However, based on my thorough examination, it seems that nigella is not present. I encourage people to make their own decisions about whom to believe and trust. |
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Post by cman on Jan 2, 2024 22:46:58 GMT 1
Nice to see that we are getting nicely formed opinions and arguments once again. And without direct attacks on one’s person. A forum can only thrive when there is substance and a chance to form opinions and to be heard.
Chickenman, taking your side, is your argument that your superior senses is based pot chronic usage and therefore gives you better insight than the rest of the KFC researchers here? At least, you CAN find evidence to back up your assertion. However, it might behoove you to go back to your earliest threads to see how your prose has devolved: I did not even realized it was you writing! And transitioned to the currently seemingly paranoid attacks on forum members. Not sure that you would agree that your behavior is bullying.
East Friesian makes a valid point. A stand alone tin in a picture is indeed not proof that it was used in the KFC OR. It was also stated ( DFN101?) that CHS liked to bake and cook other dishes.
Smallgree, I believe that procedure whether it’s in law, science or medicine is also important to recreate a process or formula. If CHS did not use artificial flavors, then we are able to recreate the KFC OR given the finite number of candidate Herb and Spices.
Smallgree and DFN101, Has KFC / CHS already been subjected to a nuisance type lawsuit regarding the claim of 11 Herbs and Spices? Since both of you hold the position of more than 11 Herbs and Spices and backed up by years of research, why not file it?
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Post by Chickenman on Jan 3, 2024 1:06:47 GMT 1
Finally the truth comes out.
"buhh i think i am better at this and i can't detect nigella seed!! whaa whaa whaa!!"
Cool story, still doesn't change the fact i detected them 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000%.
"There ain't no way anyone pulled crushed nigella seeds off of cooked KFC chicken and crunched them between their teeth"
100% wrong, because i did it! i don't see what it so hard to understand, i picked the black spec off, crunched the seed between my tooth, and got big explosion of distinct nigella seed.
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Post by Chickenman on Jan 3, 2024 1:13:30 GMT 1
This forum is going to die with BULLIES aboard. I'm going to be short and to the point. There ain't no way anyone pulled crushed nigella seeds off of cooked KFC chicken and crunched them between their teeth. Doesn't mean they're not there, it just means the idea of IDing them this way is BS. Get a microscope image, or shut up. VARIOUS BS: "I have the recipe, but I can't show it, in the meantime, I am the resident expert" "These vials are legit, because they support my opinion, and teeth; these vials are not legit, because they don't show my opinions, and there just aren't enough of them" I possess a real KFC seasoning bag, along with 99-X and a bag of Grace's. Following a meticulous examination, both in the raw and cooked states, which involved picking, sifting, and extracting specks with water, I could not discern any flavour reminiscent of nigella. The black specks present seem to be solely black pepper. Moreover, individuals whom I deem reliable have never identified nigella in KFC seasonings. I hold no objection if it turns out to be part of the OR. My stance is impartial, without any biases against or in favour of this ingredient. However, based on my thorough examination, it seems that nigella is not present. I encourage people to make their own decisions about whom to believe and trust. I've got a bag of American seasoning and it doesn't have the specs which i found strange, only black pepper. But the chicken i found it on is in Australia. I found the American bag quite pathetic, just smelt like muntok white pepper and lemon. Based off the American bag, i can say whatever seasoning they are using at my local one is 10x better. |
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smallgree
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Post by smallgree on Jan 3, 2024 1:15:46 GMT 1
I'm cooking in a few days. My angle is to place the entire recipe, except salt, into the 11 ingredients given to Shelton. 20% of this, 10% of that, and 13% of whatever, with 57% left over. My hangup is the two dark vials and the two light vials. I believe the vials show the original recipe, mixes and all, and KFC felt that it could never be actually duplicated. Placing ginger, mustard, tomato powder, clove, allspice and the chilis in the vials, if possible, are my last hurdles.
I will note that clove is an important element in my wet brine, and was always the key to good ham, when stuck into the meat while cooking. Clove stuck into citrus peels can sanitize stale air. I have looked at clove since day one. it is so powerful that it, and other powerful ingredients, must have been added to the 26oz seasoning bag if that amount of seasoning could season 25 lbs of flour, without using extracts. This is my only chili hint.
I always see things both ways. If there were no extracts, then all of these ingredients proposed by others would be in such low amounts as to be non-factors.
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Post by Chickenman on Jan 3, 2024 1:18:07 GMT 1
You can't place mustard in the vials lol, or ginger. Vial F is chicken Bouillon for one, and both of the light ones look nothing like mustard powder. But you are so convinced of these vials you will just tell yourself there's no mustard.
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Post by cman on Jan 3, 2024 1:24:12 GMT 1
Smallgree, I concur with you.
However, the essence and note of Cloves by itself be broken down into other tastes. I once cooked a non-KFC fried chicken using Sage, Celery salt and ginger. The result were questions why I used so much cloves in the recipe.
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Post by Chickenman on Jan 3, 2024 1:42:47 GMT 1
"Doesn't mean they're not there, it just means the idea of IDing them this way is BS."
100% not BS.
And how is that even a bs way to id them? it is probably the best possible way you could id them because they are standing on their own, so all you need to do is taste them.
If you are unable to taste a spec of nigella seed and id it as nigella, you have terrible sense of taste, and idk how you will ever crack the recipe sorry.
And again, i got the American bag, it is absolutely pathetic. I am literally going to throw it out. There are no nigella specs in it, just black pepper. Smells like Muntok white pepper and lemon. I have no further use for it so will be chucking it. I've detected much more just off the cooked chicken at my local store.
East Frisian, and you think you only two that got bag? no i got the bag too. But you are wasting your time with it. 1998 1 might of been better but would be bunk now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 2:27:20 GMT 1
East Frisian, and you think you only two that got bag? no i got the bag too. But you are wasting your time with it. 1998 1 might of been better but would be bunk now. LOL |
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