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Post by flg on May 23, 2023 17:45:02 GMT 1
Scan is a bit skewed but you can make it out. Now if deepfriednew101 would start posting his information. Imagine what we could eliminate add or speculate to help solve some of these stories And by that I mean links to PDFs etc. I’ll take them in private if that works. |
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Post by Silver on May 23, 2023 19:38:44 GMT 1
Scan is a bit skewed but you can make it out. Now if deepfriednew101 would start posting his information. Imagine what we could eliminate add or speculate to help solve some of these stories And by that I mean links to PDFs etc. I’ll take them in private if that works. The real trick may be in discovering the 1975 legal contract settlements/agreements forged between KFC and Pat Grace. |
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Post by flg on May 23, 2023 19:48:12 GMT 1
That agreement would be great to have. Best info I can find is it was about the use of non KFC prescribed cooking materials. Whatever that was. It kind of makes sense they don’t go after him for the contents of his recipe. As during the MK proceedings after Pat’s. It’s stated they haven’t had to or won’t divulge their secret recipe in the courts. There is one other source I’m chasing down.
Until proof comes forward. Best we know is the agreement in 1975 was for Pat to use only KFC supplied cooking materials.
More to come as I discover tangible documents
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Post by deepfriednew101 on May 24, 2023 13:59:02 GMT 1
The Court Case Foundation from Supreme Courts state that there is NO Way a Court Can Order a Company which claims Many different Positions of Intellectual Property
for that company to divulge the IP or Patented parts of the Claimed protected information of techniques.
This position goes for many Court issues including Equipment built for Testing and recording Speeds Radar or Breathalyzer's Equipment. Defense cannot ask for the Intellectual Property information of the inner working of the equipment and NO COURT WILL ORDER IT.
In the Tommy and Cherry S case people have said BUT the court had that recipe. THAT IS TRUE NEW AGE KFC got a Exparte Court Order to seize the Documents and Hold them in the Court House. Which was Immediately Over turned when Tommy and Cherry objected, BUT Tommy agreed to allow the Plaintiff to view the Document and make a assessment which they did and said its not the Original Recipe its a Dressing aka Stuffing Recipe.
Tommy was the One who Stated He knows a Chicken recipe and what goes in Chicken recipes and Ginger is NOT in stuffing or Dressing recipe and the recipe has LOTS of Ginger.
KFC NEW AGE never brought or divulged the Original Recipe and was NOT forced to bring the Original Recipe into the court and compare. The New Age KFC representative viewed the T&C Recipe and said NOT the Original Tommy was still Mad and requested a Cook Off of the Recipe they had compared to the NEW AGE K.F.C.
Tommy and Cherry Cooked the Recipe they had on Good Moring America and compared it to Buckets of Chicken supplied by the Nearest K.F.C. location to the T.V. studio. It was overwhelming that the Recipe T&C had was much better then the NEW AGE K.F.C.
The ONLY person who could have had the Original Recipe Brought into court WAS C.H.S. as the Sales contract to Brown & Massey which had to pass onto Other purchasers of the company. WHICH said the NEW owners could NOT change the Original Recipe. This is why KFC New Age never went after Marion Kay until after C.H.S. passed away. The ONLY other ones who have the same standing would have been C.H.S. Immediate Family but never challenged issues.
When you View Court see Pats court document it was a Contract dispute between New Age KFC and Pat in 1975 NOT the C.H.S. agreement with Pat. C.H.S. had exclusive rights to the U.K., also Canada, Utah, Montana originally.
So Pat issue was contract Breach and had ZERO rights to claim changed recipe Like C.H.S. had the right. If Pat would have continue to pay the % to New Age K.F.C. and went after New Age KFC it may have been different if it was combined with C.H.S. say the original recipe changed BUT this was NOT the issue.
Pat was in contravention of the Agreement also of No Competition against NEW AGE KFC
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Post by smallgree on May 24, 2023 16:29:20 GMT 1
This seems to contradict previous posts concerning this subject, but I'm not going to dwell on it.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on May 24, 2023 16:39:31 GMT 1
There is NO Contradictions in the Past posting to this its all on the same printing or copy and pasted items of context so it could NOT be alleged that it contradicts past Items of posting the ONLY NEW information is the information from Pats court case
as for ALL info previous court case same information has been posted many times
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Post by flg on May 24, 2023 21:04:59 GMT 1
What we see is a bunch of hearsay stories. All with the same few themes. What I am asking for is anything tangible. I found and posted the court decision from Pat’s in the early 80’s. No mention of limiting his seasonings to 5 etc. like you claimed. If you have solid proof in any document then scan and share.
In fact I have found nothing citing 5 restrictions yet. However I have yet to get any full judgement in writing on Lee’s case. I do know he was required to change some cooking techniques and other “small changes”. No written detail on the small changes?
Could I see Lee having to abide by a rule like that. Yes. Prove it. No
Do I think corporate followed any similar logic with the Pat or MK. No and it doesn’t appear so
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Post by deepfriednew101 on May 24, 2023 22:03:03 GMT 1
flg Read even just the Article from the Time  |
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Post by Silver on May 24, 2023 22:06:27 GMT 1
There was a newspaper report in Ohio from circa 1965-1966 that detailed some of the restrictions which KFC leveled upon Lee's Famous Recipe Chicken via it's 1965 lawsuit. I used to be able to bring this news blurb up via a search engine, but now it seems to have gone missing.
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Post by flg on May 24, 2023 22:09:37 GMT 1
Perfect that’s what I’m asking for. Is just a copy of tangible documents. Now we have nothing yet to tie this ruling to Pat or MK.
I suspect what the difference here could be is the connection between the nephew and CHS. Lee knew the OR recipe. If somehow Corp did need to compare it’s not like Lee would see anything he didn’t already know.
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