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Post by deepfriednew101 on Feb 7, 2023 8:38:41 GMT 1
Going Back to some of the Original Best recipes we made for this reasoning:
C.H.S. Always said Spices n Herbs F.D.A. in 1905 rule was the Highest amount item Listed First which over road the Principle of Alphabetic order back in the Day.
which would make the Recipe 6 Spices and 5 Herbs (Which is in line with Conversation with the Original Packing company who released info 1 bag had 6 Spices and 1 Bag had 5 Herbs)
C.H.S. always said Salt & Pepper with Flour was what he started with, Then he added certain Herbs the Family liked and Seasoning from Dressing and certain seasoning from Sausage making.
K.F.C. New Age has indicated Black Pepper, White Pepper, Salt, M.S.G - Garlic, Onion, Celery Mustard on Old Bags and Tray liners for ingredients.
K.F.C. Packaging 10 of the 11 Spices and Paprika is 1 of the Spices.
Court Case specified NO use of Tarragon to other Competitors
Commercial Season Salt was Mentioned by Elua G
Dave Wetchel mentioned Jamaican Ginger 4oz were added to the Bags of Spice and Herbs.
C.H.S. and Claudia Mentioned Ginger and Cinnamon need to be the Worlds best.
K.F.C. referenced Rosemary and Oregano
Dressing Seasoning WAS for the Salad Dressing and the Side Dishes NOT Stuffing. (C.H.S. had made his Own Salad Dressing Mixes) Tarragon was used in the Person Mixes.
C.H.S. original Kitchen Displays Spice and Herb Tins which include Botanical Pharmacy items which would Have been in EVERY HOUSE HOLD in the 1930's
C.H.S. Brined the Chicken he carried in his Ice Chest from Location to location.
Flour Salt or Pop Corn Salt was Used as it was consistent with the Flour and would not settle to the Bottom of the Lug as quick.
Multiple Grinds of Black Pepper and White Pepper were Used By C.H.S.
Zinger was adding 10oz addition to making Original Recipe Chicken
Temperature for Cooking with Beef Tallow was 400 Original heated pots, Chicken Dropped for first 3 Minutes Temp Dropped to 365 while Browning then Temp Turned Down to 265 Deg for final cooking under pressure.
Milk n Egg Warsh Contained Salt and Pepper
M.S.G. added after 1955/1956 Cumberland Boat Trip as the Original 11 Spices and Herbs were made in 1939.
Items Using in the
Spice and Herbs 2023 Recipe
Flour, Wheat, Corn, Barely
Yeast
Salt
Pepper Black
Pepper White
M..S.G.
Celery Salt
Onion Salt
Garlic Salt
Garlic Powder
Pimento Jamaican Allspice Item #1
Sweet Bell Red Pepper & Cayenne
Clove
Mustard Powder Double Fine Botanical
Licorice Root Botanical Item #2
Botanical Item #3 Aroma Source
Ginger Jamaican
Oregano Mexican Sage
Rosemary
Tarragon
Bay Leaf
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Post by flg on Feb 7, 2023 18:39:18 GMT 1
Bay Leaf - How did that come about? I think it would be extremely odd back in the day to grind that up in a seasoning mixture. Could it have been in the brine. Yes, and it would be a likely candidate. A couple whole leaves in the brine would be fairly common. I did hear that at one point someone thought or did see some in a microscopic view of a more modern 99x?
Here is one of the things I think about. Back when they were mixing in house. How much extra equipment and effort would it have taken to grind the various herbs and spices in house. Most likely hand grinding etc. And the more help you'd need the more folks that can "learn" the secret. Mixing would have been a big enough chore. And I am not talking 1960-64 time frame. I mean early franchise nickle days. I would think to make it easier on themselves. The Herbs and Spices would have been purchased in the format they wanted. Fine, powdered, course etc. And they would have had the task of mixing them.
I do think the net of some of the stories, allergens and ingredient listings hold most of the ingredients.
Celery and Mustard were listed and currently mustard is as an allergen in one Country for sure.
I'm not sure about Tarragon. In KFC OR Coleslaw it's a 100%. Drawing a line between that and the chicken I think is a stretch. Could be, could not be.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Feb 8, 2023 4:40:10 GMT 1
In the 1930's the spice companies showed Tarragon used with Poultry vary common
yes Bay leave were used in many Brines But was also Ground for many other items BUT was sold leave form
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Feb 8, 2023 4:51:23 GMT 1
We have Mixed a 11 Spice n Herb Mix we have chose to Go with a 6 spice 5 Herb rule based on K.F.C. Pea Dish Poster and the Info above Mix to a 100g total for 11 Spices n Herbs (with Winston S Info, Bill S. Info, K.F.C. released Info, Tommy S info, and C.S.H and Claudia)     |
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Post by Silver on Feb 8, 2023 12:24:47 GMT 1
The vials reveal that there were only three green herbs. If I was to believe nothing else from the vials, I at least believe this to be accurate. Five herbs I do not believe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 12:57:12 GMT 1
The vials reveal that there were only three green herbs. If I was to believe nothing else from the vials, I at least believe this to be accurate. Five herbs I do not believe. I think vial H can very much be Tarragon, which in ground form can turn brownish. Vial K could actually be Marjoram. I think smallgree mentioned it before and I think I believe the same now. I will share a Marjoram photo later from my home computer. Also, Garlic was considered a Herb back in the days. Herbs were locally grown, mild climate ingredients, and spices aromatic, exotic, warm climate items in a common vernacular. I quoted a source once and below is another quote from a Britannica website. I will not go into leafy discussions about this again though. "The onion is an herb that belongs to the lily family. It is related to garlic, leeks, and chives." In my line up, I actually count 6 "herbs" and 5 spices. |
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Post by flg on Feb 8, 2023 13:22:51 GMT 1
Didn’t back in the day CHS and KFC products state 11 vegetable herbs and spices? Grouping the vegetables and herbs.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Feb 8, 2023 16:06:03 GMT 1
I have a issue with the Black being Garlic Here is My reasoning and opinion I have purchased Vintage unopen Bottle of Spices and Herbs and Photos of many which are Open 30 to 50 years OLD and the Garlic is NOT BLACK I Heard this rumor that The Garlic Powder will Turn Black and Have a 19 Year old Large Plastic 2lbs Commercial Jug of Garlic Powder NOT Black (I will Have to do a Photo of that container later as its locked in a Cabinet to simulate a Vault Photo Attached From Internet items for sale also see my posting thread about Garlic for photo  |
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Feb 8, 2023 16:07:25 GMT 1
I uploaded the wrong photo sorry
will find the old Garlic Jars
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Feb 8, 2023 16:12:24 GMT 1
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