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Post by Silver on Oct 20, 2022 11:07:12 GMT 1
Between the two recipes presented below, would you expect to find a high degree of recipe equivalence, or would you think them to taste/smell quite different, and lastly, would you initially favor one over the other as to its presumed or potential likelihood of coming close to the goal we all seek?
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Post by maceme on Oct 20, 2022 13:00:03 GMT 1
I’ll look at these side by side later, (and probably have no idea), but I will look.
What I do know right now, is that I can’t easily cut and paste into any convenient format to look at them together, or review in a spreadsheet format etc. when they are in photo format, and such recipes aren’t searchable for the future
I’d need to print them or similar to then hand copy as they aren’t readable together on my tablet screen.
Anyway, my suggestion is to also paste in text to the post for your recipes.
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Post by Silver on Oct 20, 2022 13:05:13 GMT 1
maceme, does this help? Version 1.10 200.0g. Cake Flour 29.50g. Salt 7.375g. MSG 0.375g. Dextrose 5.000g. Black Pepper (Half Fine, Half Coarse) 3.000g. White Pepper 1.500g. Coriander Seed 1.250g. Ginger 0.750g. Sage 0.500g. Anise Seed 0.375g. Savory 0.375g. Mace 0.250g. Clove 0.125g. Cinnamon 0.125g. Garlic Powder Version 1.20 200.0g. Cake Flour 29.50g. Salt 7.375g. MSG 0.375g. Dextrose 5.000g. Black Pepper (Half Fine, Half Coarse) 3.000g. White Pepper 1.500g. Coriander Seed 1.250g. Allspice 1.250g. Ginger 0.750g. Sage 0.500g. Anise Seed 0.375g. Savory 0.125g. Mace 0.125g. Nutmeg 0.125g. Garlic Powder
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Post by maceme on Oct 20, 2022 13:14:51 GMT 1
In a word, yes!
Thank you!
ok, so heavy mace clove cinnamon vs balanced mace nutmeg.
Missing clove entirely seems like a problem, and the first one might be great, assuming mace isn’t too heavy.
Possibly a blend mace & nutmeg -> clove > cinnamon might be the better progression as a third alternative, especially since I only count 9 herbs and spices.
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Post by maceme on Oct 20, 2022 14:24:06 GMT 1
Oh, I missed the heavy allspice.
I think I would still lean towards modified first one but with a blend of mace & nutmeg -> clove > cinnamon, just to get actual clove and cinnamon.
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Post by Silver on Oct 20, 2022 14:32:54 GMT 1
My presumption is that some unknown degree of the essence of a quasi Mace or Nutmeg like flavor, plus the same for Cinnamon resides within the Allspice, along with a well more identifiable and thus quantifiable and definitive essence of Clove. And thus with the entry of Allspice in version #1.10, Clove and Cinnamon (being the main essences of Allspice) are removed from version 1.20, and a bit of Nutmeg is introduced, and Mace is diminished. It's a rather confusing "essences" juggling act of sorts when it comes to adding Allspice.
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Post by maceme on Oct 20, 2022 14:40:21 GMT 1
Yes, and while I think that is true for some aspects of flavor, perhaps not close enough chemically.
And while chasing the elusive note, having the right precursors might be key.
Or maybe we just add cumin, yeast, turmeric, taro, and orange blossoms and the note appears.
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Post by Silver on Oct 20, 2022 14:44:31 GMT 1
Yes, and while I think that is true for some aspects of flavor, perhaps not close enough chemically. And while chasing the elusive note, having the right precursors might be key. Or maybe we just add cumin, yeast, turmeric, taro, and orange blossoms and the note appears. A good number of my earlier recipe efforts contained Orange Zest/Rind, plus either Cumin, or Chili Powder, which contains Cumin. I've also tried adding a bit of yeast (bakers and/or nutritional) So I'm not being confused by this. At one time or another I considered Orange Rind and/or Chili Powder to work like magic. And now I think the same as to Anise Seed (which may be as mystically unnecessary as were these others). |
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Post by maceme on Oct 20, 2022 14:50:29 GMT 1
You didn't add the magic taro root or toss equivalents of handfuls of orange blossoms :-)
BTW, i believe 2 handfuls is about the volume equivalent of 1.2 - 2.25 tsp in a 200g recipe, assuming CHS was using a 10lb flour recipe.
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Post by Silver on Oct 20, 2022 14:54:50 GMT 1
You didn't add the magic taro root or toss equivalents of handfuls of orange blossoms :-) No, but I must add that once one begins to dabble in flavor/magic it becomes hard to shake the habit. I'm having a hard time convincing myself to try one of these recipes without the Anise Seed, and thus opening a slot for something else like Tarragon or Marjoram or Oregano, etc... |
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