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Post by deepfriednew101 on Oct 16, 2022 18:42:05 GMT 1
KFC specifically Say's there are ONLY 2 people who know the original Spices and Herbs and they Do not sleep together or fly on the same Airplane ever.
They have never said that HR and other Do not open the safe, they say that only few have access to the safe, Vault ?
But its funny they open it for Todd W, Unwrapped and Many many other lookie loo's when its convenient to give a Carefully worded statement how guarded the Original hand written recipe is ?
They Only say what they want the People to Write which sells the stigma and Fairy Tail that ONLY 2 People who know the original recipe.
CHS did say that the Original People who helped set up the Canadian Charitable Organization ALL had the Original Recipe as they were some of the Most Honest People he had dealings with. CHS said the Sneak Pete Harmon had made the chicken from the arm full of spices and herbs that they purchased at the Store and Frozen chicken they had to Buy as there was NO fresh chicken available when they went shopping.
Joe Young in Canada said many times he was one of several CHS had gave the Recipe to in Canada and they all locked it up in there safety deposit boxes as a Promiss to CHS.
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Post by maceme on Oct 30, 2022 22:48:03 GMT 1
Don't forget that there is also a small jar of something yellow in that safe. Just what if that jar contains the 11 Hs&Ss, mixed, and has a rusted metal lid? i.imgur.com/J8vseVY.jpgWhere did that photo come from anyway? Can we get a better one? |
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Post by smallgree on Oct 31, 2022 2:19:14 GMT 1
I certainly don't have it.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Oct 31, 2022 11:26:18 GMT 1
I still wonder how they can say that the safe is over powdered with the Smell of Spices and Herbs
I Do Not know who has copies of that Photo or others like it as above
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Post by smallgree on Oct 31, 2022 16:37:16 GMT 1
No foundation laid to verify the "smell" story. I always gave hypothetical explanations for fact patterns. "Someone opened the vials to get samples, which would explain why the ingredients seem haphazardly added. A manager smells the "odor residue" and the wiseguy who opened the vials convinces the manager that the odor leaked from the vials, naturally." I only had to convince one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 17:54:53 GMT 1
I never saw my mother reach for blackened garlic, neither have I seen garlic that went into a dry mix turn black. In fact, I've never seen black garlic period, other than in photos on the net. I don't like the taste of coriander in a chicken seasoning mix. Ah,thanks for clarifying. @2whlwzrd suggested quite some time ago that the curing process for the acrylic involved a bake, and that the temp and temp was sufficient to turn regular garlic black. There were experiments done in test tubes and photos posted. I think the details are in the other forum. A picture of some test vials is within this post: kfc.boards.net/post/539/threadWhile his posts have merit, it is not clear that: 1) a hot cure process was used 2) garlic is included in the counted number , to answer your questions; Yes, a hot cure process was used. Companies that make those kind of pieces don't have the time or space to store and wait several months or more for a piece to cure. And customers won't want to wait. It's all about the turn around of the product. Also, if you examine the condition of the contents of the other vials it would seem to be fairly obvious that they too have been exposed to a heat source. And yes, garlic is included in the herb and spice count. The Winston Shelton story tells us that there are only 11 ingredients in the one-hundred gram recipe, and that one of them is "13 grams of this". It's actually funny to watch people twist themselves into a pretzel trying to explain why their recipe has 12 ingredients in it, including the "13 grams of this". But yet, it does not count as a spice. The FDA rule regarding the garlic is simple. It says that any ingredient normally thought of as a food, such as onion or garlic cannot be hidden under "spices" and must be listed by their common or usual name. But the American Spice and Trade Association says dehydrated vegetables such as onion or garlic, when ground or powdered and used to season food are considered spices. But must be listed on the label in accordance with the FDA rules. And here is the most telling part. When we see garlic powder listed, we know that it is being used as a seasoning in the ingredients and therefore counts as a spice. The people that disagree with this either simply do not understand the rule or are trolls. My best advice is to ignore them and continue on. the only person you have to convince is yourself. |
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jan 23, 2023 16:04:01 GMT 1
maceme * Please Do Your Own Double checking of the C.F.I.A. and F.D.A. regulation's as they Vary between countries BUT Do have similar reference.
IF A ITEM IS LISTED in a recipe even if its a Secret recipe that says 1 or 100 items in the secret you can have as many as you want in the recipe YOU ARE NOT limited to the secret NUMBER. BOTH C.F.I.A. and F.D.A. Do NOT care if you say all the spice in the world in your recipe IF YOU ARE ADVERTISING or misleading the PUBLIC C.F.I.A. and F.D.A. Do NOT care its NOT under their regulation that's a CONSUMER Misleading Fraud issue NOT A HEALT ISSUE.
C.F.I.A. and F.D.A. would shut them DOWN if they get caught withholding Allergies or Mandatory items ONLY ONLY ONLY after a complaint.
UNLIKE many others who POS crap about the regulation. THESE people DO NOT HAVE license's with the C.F.I.A. or F.D.A. to package items for Catering or Re-sale. I have License's in Multiple Countries' which cost as low as $250.00 to $500.00 in each country for limited year time periods
We just went through re-licensing our Permits this MONTH and had inspections BY BOTH agencies and had HOURS AND HOURS of conversation.
ALL C.F.I.A and F.D.A. care about is label the Packages and RESTURANT USE items like KFC NEW AGE DO NOT have to list ANYTHING except ALLERGENS AND MANDATORY ITEMS they could use the WORD spices and it would cover ALL spices in the BAG 1 or 100 Spices and herbs as they USUALLY FALL UNDER the SAFE items rule
Original Recipe®
Chicken
Fresh chicken. Breaded in: wheat flour, salt, monosodium glutamate, spices, dehydrated
garlic, modified milk ingredients, dried egg white (egg white, baker’s yeast, citric acid).
Cooked in: canola oil (dimethylpolysiloxane (antifoaming agent), TBHQ).
Contains wheat, milk and egg.
The above shows after cooked ingredient list Re: Cooked in BUT IT ALSO could mean Pre-Cooked and Frozen like Nuggets ETC ETC
THERE in NO WAY indicated that there are ONLY 11 secret items in the Preparation of this item Garlic is LISTED only to alert Vampires it's in the recipe, YES Onion and Garlic are a mandatory listed item and MUST be disclosed BUT does NOT mean its in the 11 secret protected list BUT it is in the Breading ingredient
Hot and Spicy
Chicken
Fresh chicken. Marinated in: salt, monosodium glutamate, spices, potassium chloride,
tetra potassium pyrophosphate, sugar, garlic powder, citric acid.
Breaded in: wheat flour,
niacin, iron, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid, sodium bicarbonate, corn starch,
sodium aluminum phosphate, dextrose, high monounsaturated vegetable oil (canola and/
or sunflower seed) (manufacturing aid), colour (contains wheat flour), spices. Cooked in:
canola oil (dimethylpolysiloxane (antifoaming agent), TBHQ).
Contains wheat.
NOTE THE ABOVE * only listed in the Marinade
Big Crunch Patty
Chicken breasts with rib meat, water, seasonings (salt, monosodium glutamate, sodium
phosphate, garlic powder, spices, onion powder), modified corn starch, sodium phosphate.
Predusted with: wheat flour, wheat gluten, soy flour, salt, egg white powder, monosodium
glutamate, baking powder, spices, and onion powder.
Battered with: water, wheat flour, baking powder, salt, spices, monosodium glutamate, onion powder.
Breaded with: wheat flour, salt, soy flour, baking powder, monosodium glutamate, spices, onion powder. Cooked
in: canola oil (dimethylpolysiloxane (antifoaming agent), TBHQ).
Contains wheat, soy, egg.
* NOTE above ONLY mixed with the chicken breast 1 part NOT all 3 process
Colonel’s Crispy Strips®
Chicken breast strips; water, salt, modified corn starch, soy protein isolate, monosodium glutamate, sodium phosphate, garlic powder, spices, onion powder.
Predusted with: wheat flour, wheat gluten, soy flour, dried egg white (egg white, baker’s yeast, citric acid), salt, potassium chloride, monosodium glutamate, spice, sodium acid pyrophosphate, sunflower oil, baking soda, dehydrated onion.
Battered with: water, wheat flour, salt, soy flour, baking powder, monosodium glutamate, spices, onion powder. Browned in: canola oil. Cooked in:
canola oil (dimethylpolysiloxane (antifoaming agent), TBHQ).
Contains soy, wheat, egg, sulphites.
NOTE ABOVE * only in the first list and its in the HIGHEST POSSITION above spices and Onion ? ? ?
DO YOUR OWN DOUBLE CHECKING AND CALL the F.D.A. they will explain what I just pointed OUT and tell you DO NOT be FOOLED with any number of spice they advertise THEY could careless they ONLY care about FOOD SAFETY not misleading advertisement
2WhlWzard makes ONLY a valid point that it needs to be Listed and 100% correct BUT needed the expansion on other parts - IF you want the CONTACT telephone number's for the F.D.A. or C.F.I.A private message and I have them as Just spoke to them ALL last week
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Post by Chickenman on Mar 30, 2023 11:23:35 GMT 1
The people who strictly only use 11 ingredients are never going to crack the recipe. Why? because there are more than 11 ingredients. Either because one or two vials is a mix, or because some ingredients like pepper are not part of the 11. And the people who count the pepper as 2 ingredients are definitely never cracking it LOL!
Cracking this recipe is a juggling act. Question is, who is best juggler? this is why lazy people would rather believe there is only 11 herbs/spices, and to count the pepper as two ingredients because it makes it much easier.
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Post by flg on Mar 30, 2023 14:42:20 GMT 1
The people who strictly only use 11 ingredients are never going to crack the recipe. Why? because there are more than 11 ingredients. Either because one or two vials is a mix, or because some ingredients like pepper are not part of the 11. And the people who count the pepper as 2 ingredients are definitely never cracking it LOL! Cracking this recipe is a juggling act. Question is, who is best juggler? this is why lazy people would rather believe there is only 11 herbs/spices, and to count the pepper as two ingredients because it makes it much easier. Which version are you cloning 1939 OR, the recipe sold in 1964 or the MK variants, 99x, Grace’s, Shelton’s etc? It’s nice to know when someone posts they cracked the OR. What version they did |
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 30, 2023 15:45:40 GMT 1
The people who strictly only use 11 ingredients are never going to crack the recipe. Why? because there are more than 11 ingredients. Either because one or two vials is a mix, or because some ingredients like pepper are not part of the 11. And the people who count the pepper as 2 ingredients are definitely never cracking it LOL! Cracking this recipe is a juggling act. Question is, who is best juggler? this is why lazy people would rather believe there is only 11 herbs/spices, and to count the pepper as two ingredients because it makes it much easier. I agree with some of Your Comment There is More then 11 Items The 11 Items ARE individual Spices and Herbs SPICES AND HERBS the extras are the NON spice and Herbs Vegetable and Other Items and Commercial Season Salt NOT in the 11 Ingredients. BOTH FDA and CFIA has agree that KFC NEW AGE can call ANYTHING they want as a Spice it could be 1000 Spices and Herbs recipe as that means NOTHING to THEN and NOTHEING to the Label aspect of the LAWS and False misrepresentation or NAME Deception would be a CONSUMER MARKETING VIOLATION NOT a FOOD SAFETY VIOLATION. |
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