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Post by flg on Jun 19, 2022 15:45:37 GMT 1
What I do is place a wire rack on a baking sheet in my oven with the oven at 185F. As the chicken comes out of the oil. I place it on the wire rack which I cover completely with foil so all chicken pieces are covered by foil. I let it sit a total of 20 mins in the oven. I turn the chicken pieces over about every 5 or 6 minutes or as I add ones straight out of the oil. We then will start eating from a FIFO as subsequent chicken cooks.
I have also done the same except instead of the baking sheet I used a shallow pan full of boiling water. And had the rack over that. For me it made the chicken too soggy. And I felt just the foil and it's own sweating was more like what comes out of the store.
Try no boiling water first and see how you feel about the crust.
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Post by flg on Jun 19, 2022 15:53:58 GMT 1
Silver how are you storing your used oil? Or was this a one and done use
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Post by Silver on Jun 19, 2022 15:59:46 GMT 1
Silver how are you storing your used oil? Or was this a one and done use I refrigerate it. This was (I believe) the 4th cooking session for my current oil.
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Post by Silver on Jun 20, 2022 18:02:45 GMT 1
Here's the obligatory Recipe #17 leftovers eating report, for what is now two day old deep fried chicken.
First: The chicken was just mildly warmed, and by no means at proper serving temperature. My wife was heating it when I said I wanted it cold. She pulled it out of the microwave at that juncture without finishing the heating. Oops, my bad!!! No pushing things after that mistake on my part...
1) It tasted less salty than it did when first cooked. 2) It tasted less peppery than when first cooked. 3) The coating was more oily and mushy. Almost too much so in this regard...
I sprinkled on more salt, and more black pepper, and the flavor was almost perfect KFC_Like after this treatment.
The Coriander version once again tasted a bit better (as in more KFC_Like) to me. My son (40 years old) joined us this time around and he also agreed that the Coriander version was better. My wife still prefers the Celery Seed version.
4) The Coriander Seed version was exhibiting a bit too much of a good thing, as in a bit of Coriander earthy nuttiness overload, and I believe a reduction in Coriander from 1.50 grams to 1.25 grams is in order. 5) The Celery Seed version could stand having more Celery, and bumping it from 1.50 grams to 1.75 grams seems prudent. 6) After the salt and pepper boosts the flavor of real KFC was indeed there. My son commented (as well as complemented) that many people would likely think they were eating the real thing if they were not told.
Edit: I'm now wondering if a single batch containing both 1.25 grams of Coriander Seed and 1.75 grams of Celery Seed would literally knock it out of the ballpark.
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Post by Silver on Jun 20, 2022 18:25:31 GMT 1
I would not recommend arbitrarily mixing Coriander Seed and Celery Seed before first eating batches with them separated so as to learn their differences.
I would also think that cutting both in half and therein adding only ~0.75 grams of each (at the same time) would be a huge mistake. Both the nuttiness of the Coriander Seed and the celery flavor of the Celery Seed would be reduced too much for that case.
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Post by flg on Jun 20, 2022 22:03:32 GMT 1
I'm going to label this one FLG v1.0a. As it is adjustments made to my leftover seasonings from v1.0. While I added 1 ingredient to try. The main adjustments were made using my volume based recipe and looking for no weird volume measurements like 3/16 of a teaspoon or something. I will indicate the change. Next recipe will be 1.1 and so on for single substitutions or minor changes.
Hope to cook next week.
FLG v1.0a
For 200g Flour and 29g Salt (+1g salt)
7g MSG (+1g) 4.2g White Pepper (+0.2g) 3g Black Pepper (1g fine, 2g cracked) 1.5g McCormick Poultry Seasoning 1.4g Celery Seed (+0.4g) 1g Ginger 0.7g Caraway Seeds (This is the lone new ingredient I'm testing) 0.7g Mustard (powdered)(+0.2g) 0.5g Paprika 0.5g Garlic Powder (increase in garlic, was 1.5g garlic salt) 0.5g Summer Savory 0.35g Allspice (+0.1g) 0.35g Nutmeg (+0.1g)
Celery Seed and Garlic the biggest gainers. Hopefully not too confusing but most of these will stay constant for a while after this.
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Post by Silver on Jun 21, 2022 0:10:00 GMT 1
It has the look/pedigree of winning taste flg!
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Post by Silver on Jun 21, 2022 0:32:48 GMT 1
We just got home from my son's house and we ate the last 2 pieces of Recipe #17, this time cold and straight from the fridge. Man do I like cold KFC_Like chicken!
My conclusions are about the same: 1) It needs an added pepper source with a kick to it that withstands deep frying temperatures. I'm figuring 0.25 grams of Cayenne Pepper are needed here. Our previous winner, Cooked Recipe #14, had 0.30 grams of Cayenne, and #14 had a better overall Pepper character. 2) There is simply no way that un-brined and un-marinated chicken (on the very large size as to pieces) with only 28 grams of Salt added to 200 grams of flour is as salty as the real deal. 30 grams should do it. 27-28 grams may suffice for KFC sized micro-mini-chickens, but ours were behemoths. 3) The flavor aspect of the elusive 'note' is undeniably there at a KFC_Like level. My wife says ours is better than KFC, but much of that is due to her enjoying it's lesser salt and lesser pepper burn nature. I say it's not perfect until it is as salty and pepper burny. (is that a word?) 4) For me, Coriander earthiness is still slightly winning out over Celery spiciness, but it's close, and Coriander nuttiness needs to come down 0.25 grams whereas Celery spiciness needs to go up 0.25 grams. After that I think both will be spot on, and choosing between them will be difficult. My wife is fully sold on Celery Seed, but admitted that Coriander is also very good. 5) We are not missing the absent Marjoram/Oregano flavor contribution at all. 6) A trace (or so) of Mace seems to be essential somehow as to evolving the note.
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Post by Silver on Jun 21, 2022 0:38:54 GMT 1
Seeing that the real KFC we ate a bit more than a week ago was so highly salty and peppery (and delicious vs. typical KFC OR) I'm convinced it had to be zinged.
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Post by flg on Jun 21, 2022 0:50:16 GMT 1
Perhaps the argument for coriander is it’s inclusion in 99x. Now the opinion is it didn’t exist in the 1930’s as a mainstream product. And may have come later as a replacement. And/or it was only in 99x. But we know the CHS favoured what was 99x over corporate for his Canadian outlets back in the day. If coriander has alway been in 99x, then it may be the way to go. Even if from 1930 to the 50’s it was celery seed.
Counter that is that celery and mustard where listed on the KFC report you posted last week.
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