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Post by deepfriednew101 on Feb 5, 2022 22:10:39 GMT 1
Rosemary, Sage, Parsley, Thyme, are 4 key staples of th3 1930's and are MUST.
Tarragon was Listed in the 1966 Famous Recipe vs Kentucky Fried Chicken and was listed in More then 1 of CHS recipes.
Tarragon is the shoe in and NOT Basil / Basil was used by THE NEW AGE KFC
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Post by Silver on Feb 5, 2022 22:22:44 GMT 1
How much sweet basil would it take to reach a similar licorice taste in a 200g recipe as .1g Star Anise? I'm not really sure. 2.5 grams of Sweet Basil and 0.60 grams of Allspice should nominally deliver the same quantity of Eugenol. 0.60 grams Allspice x 4.2 = 2.52 grams Sweet Basil (as to Eugenol)
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Post by Silver on Feb 5, 2022 22:33:37 GMT 1
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Post by Silver on Feb 5, 2022 22:38:43 GMT 1
My guess is that Tarragon delivers more licorice flavor gram for gram than does Sweet Basil.
But to cover my licorice base my recipe (in both the 40 Oz. Bag compliant Sweet Basil and 32 Oz. bag compliant Allspice versions) has 0.1 grams of Star-Anise as the last ingredient.
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Post by Silver on Feb 5, 2022 22:57:13 GMT 1
The Ledington recipe (from CHS's nephew) uses Basil, and does not have any Allspice. That led me to believe that early on CHS used Basil, before switching to Allspice.
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Post by Silver on Feb 5, 2022 23:00:28 GMT 1
The Ledington recipe also uses Oregano, and does not use Marjoram. Thus similarly, I believe Oregano eventually was replaced with Marjoram. To get back to the "locked in" 1940 recipe likely requires using Basil and Oregano.
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Post by Silver on Feb 6, 2022 15:14:21 GMT 1
deepfriednew101 's question regarding how much licorice character might be in 2.5 grams of Sweet Basil vs. the same for 0.10 grams of Star Anise got me thinking. If the licorice is there due to the Basil, they why add more of it via Star-Anise? I further reasoned that the prime oil within Summer Savory is Thymol, just as for Thyme, and this got me thinking that if Savory is removed, Thyme must get a bit of an upward bump. Then I seemed to recall that neither MK9-99X (via analysis) nor Grace's (via Glen's video series) contain any red pepper component. And the result of this left me with exactly 11 H&S (which is indeed a rarity for me to accomplish). And it looks like this:
All of these seem likely to have been rather common spice rack items in circa 1940's Kentucky.
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Post by flg on Feb 6, 2022 16:16:00 GMT 1
I like the above ingredient list a lot
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Feb 6, 2022 18:29:34 GMT 1
This is a important FACT not FICTION
Marion-Kay and Grace were BOTH Limited from the amount of spices they could use ?
For Both the question then became what to remove and WHY to remove it and what could substitute the items removed
BUT understand the TIME period when they removed the items for Marion-Kay and Pat were after 1985 NOT 1966 Like Famous Recipe Chicken.
The Famous Recipe Fried Chicken vs CHS Kentucky Fried Chicken
1) One of the Secrets to the recipe that Famous is Bar from using is two different heat outputs from the Burner during the actual cooking process of the Pressure cookers. Specifically, this means Famous Brand Cannot reduce the flame output while cooking the chicken.
2) Also, Bars Famous Recipe from using more then five individual spices in addition to Salt, Pepper, MSG
3) Famous Recipe is also barred from “cooking off Crackling” in the gravy and advertising “crackling Gravy”.
4) Famous Recipe or any other Business Competitor is Barred from using Tarragon or Tarragon-Flavored vinegar from the coleslaw or other recipes.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Feb 6, 2022 18:46:01 GMT 1
You are Correct Marion-Kay Does not contain RED COLOR.
Bill Summers knew he could use Paprika extract as its colorless and with NOT fall under the Court Order from Famous Recipe.
so there is NO red in either of the Blends Bill's or Pat's
2) Also, Bars Famous Recipe from using more then five individual spices in addition to Salt, Pepper, MSG 4) Famous Recipe or any other Business Competitor is Barred from using Tarragon or Tarragon-Flavored vinegar from the coleslaw or other recipes.
a Good Lawyer would work around #2 it says five individual spices does not speak about herbs or other items combined.
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