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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jan 22, 2022 5:11:41 GMT 1
There appears to be a REAL misunderstanding of the Spice Suppliers CHS used from 1925ish and the Things CHS WHICH are key to understanding the ORIGINAL 11 SPICE & HERBS.
There is also a MISCONSEPTION of the CRUST.
Learning and understanding the change KFC NEW AGE CORPORATION made will help understand why the CRUST changed and the FLAVOR decreased from the ORIGINAL 11 SPICES & HERBS CHICKEN.
please chime your input on who was the FIRST major spice company was that Blends for CHS. I have posted the answer before and gave the year if ANYONE has any other information please post it.
I will be writing a VERY informal part of this Thread with the CHS OWN WORDS to back up the information written. With some unknown FACTS.
It may help with some missing links to the ORIGINAL 11 SPICES & HERBS ... NOT the 11 HERBS & SPICES as NEW AGE CALLED it.
THERE IS A REASON CHS CALLED IT THE !! SPICE & HERBS and NOT the 11 HERBS and SPICES BUT NO ONE HAS EVER TYPED ABOUT THIS and OTHER forum NEVER brought this UNKNOWN information forward that I have seen.
STAY TUNE and list your INFO about the Major SPICE SUPPLIER and why CHS used them FIRST
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Post by flg on Jan 22, 2022 17:01:24 GMT 1
I believe you posted this answer before: Durkee's
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jan 22, 2022 18:18:20 GMT 1
Yes Very True and Durkee's was even was hired BY the NEW AGE CORPORATION BROWN & MASSEY in 1969 to solve the Pepper problem that KFC corporation was having with shortage of Tellicherry Pepper.
The mass spectrum of people are HOOKED on a Can from SEXTONS in the Museum show case ( Jamaican Ginger )
I have some NEWS for the MASSES in 1930 SEXTON was NOT being easy delivered to Kentucky, BUT Durkee's had a warehouse distribution available to Kentucky at that time and redistributed Durkee's to Many locations in Kentucky. YES Sexton did send to Kentucky BUT much less regional distribution. UNTIL later in the 1945 time period is my understanding and I have printed List of the 1930 suppliers to CHS in the 1930. and showed the locations of the Spice company's who delivered to Corbin, Kentucky.
SEXTON Tin in the KFC SHOWCASE was NOT until Later in the YEARS OF CHS and was used for the JAMACIN GINGER not the BRAND of SEXTON. SEXTON was used later in the 1945 because of TIN size for high use customers. As for Poultry Seasoning and SEXTON many are BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE. SEXTON poultry was a NEW AGE KFC concept with Brown & Massey and was being used to combine spices as CHS said.
Poultry Seasoning was a important part of 1930's cooking and Has merit BUT Durkee's was a stronger contender in the MIX
Glen and Friends Information which MANY are chasing and I get asked about it ALL the TIME which includes Glen's comment he had two almost identical ingredient list supplied to HIM I show was from the 1980's ERA and NEW AGE KFC. I had also provide people with the ORIGINAL RECIPES that matched the ingredient GLEN indicated.
GLEN even said his contacts were from the original time when he started making KFC videos and was a Gopher Do the MATH and figure out what years that was?
Look at Glens Videos he made and see what year they were FROM also.
GLEN is a great person and was Under great pressure with people calling him out for NOT finishing the receipt. Glen was stone walled BY NOT getting the amounts for the spices and also the complete information from his source. If Glen would have been correct he would HAVE made reference more to Pat loosing the court case to KFC and the Famous Brand Court case Loss and Marion Kay court case loss which Impacted the Ingredient List he Had.
I love some of the work Glen resourced with KFC BUT question some things and due have answers Glen stopped comparing NEW AGE KFC to his other cooking when he was told BY MANY the OLD KFC ORIGINAL is NOT the NEW AGE CHRISP KFC of 2021 and ANY older recipe will NOT produce the same texture and Plainer taste of the NEW age KFC. comparing NEW AGE KFC to the Grace Blend, Marion Kay or ANY OTHER blends even the Chookie. These are more comparison to the NEW AGE 1980's Golden Brown Crunch chicken NOT the ORIGINAL rose color soft texture greasy finger chicken of PRE 1980's
GLEN was ONLY focused on getting the Amounts to match the 2 list he had received, which was 1980's NEW AGE KFC mix for Overseas
I give My voice of reason many may think its right or wrong, BUT I always say add you comments.
I will be finishing a writing to post regards the KFC SPICE and CHS words to show what he said from Many article and TV appearances BUT it will be a 3 or 4 part segment as its already 2 Pages Long and NOT done
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Post by flg on Jan 22, 2022 18:43:27 GMT 1
What I find with Durkee's poultry seasoning is it has changed the most over time. I went and looked up pictures of various tins of Durkee's and each one I found had ingredients listed in different orders. I also believe on one package it listed 1 or more different ingredients.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jan 22, 2022 18:57:22 GMT 1
Look at the OLDEST Tin you can find look at 1930's TIN
compare it what CHS would have use in 1927/1928/1929/1930
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jan 22, 2022 22:57:34 GMT 1
When CHS developed the Original 11 Herbs & Spices he had more limited ability to obtain spices and they were either sources from the nearest Spice Co. which had a regional market advantage. CHS also sourced spices for the Snake wagon salesmen and the Other Spice Companies who ventured into new markets BUT the supplies they carried were limited and when they were sold out YOU either waited for there next trip or went without. Remember the salesmen delivery trucks were the size of a MINI Pick-up Truck NOT a full size and NOT 18 Wheelers Hauling 80000LBS
From the time CHS started making the 11 Spice & Herbs He was in control of the spices and mixing. Claudia Mixed spices AFTER they started selling the Mix to the limited People who were selling his chicken as a Add on to the Menu they Had.
Peter Hamon was one of the First to see the spice CHS purchased from a Local Grocery when he made chicken and Gravy fix-ins and meal. CHS left the spice Tins at Peter H location. Peter H was NO idiot and looked at the spice tins and saw how much was left in the containers and new how to make the Mix.
CHS also showed a Canadian the Spice Mix. The second KFC in the World was open In Calgary, Alberta Canada, shortly after Peter was running. So Now 3 People in History Knew the 11 Spices and Herbs. These 3 people were more Loyal to CHS then ANYONE in the KFC NEW AGE CORPORATION ever were.
NOW CHS made BOTH Peter H and the Canadian a DEAL they were the first who ever helped Franchise and THEY were given Special Deals FOR exclusive KFC Market Area exclusive. This was shown when CHS sold out to Brown & Massey. Canada, England, Utah, Florida, Montana, were NOT SOLD to the NEW AGE CORPORATION.
CHS had control over the ones NOT under the control of KFC NEW AGE CORORATION. In comes Bill Sommers from Marion Kay. CHS could not give Bill S the Original Recipe as that would have been a Breach of Contract for sale to Brown & Massey. BUT in the contract, they were NOT to change the Original Recipes. WHICH EVERYONE KNOWS Brown & Massey DID. BUT CHS had ONE ACE IN HIS POCKET. He could use the Original 11 Herbs & Spices for the NON purchased areas. So, Marion Kay made a similar and Like 11 Herb & Spice Blend called Marion Kay Seasoning NOT 99X. The reason it was called Marion Kay seasoning was CHS could still use the 11 SPICES AND HERBS which is what Marion Kay season was BUT CHS could NOT sell or distribute the seasoning EXCEPT to the LOCATIONS he retained NOT the Brown and Massey Franchises.
Bill S attempted to Make a deal with the KFC CORPORATION Brown & Massey to have 99X sold to the Franchise stores. KFC NEW AGE did not agree to Marion Kay Because Bill Sommers had the contract for the Major supply of Tellicherry Black Pepper which KFC Corporation could not get control of.
The ONLY issue Marion Kay had was that KFC New Age Corporation could NOT do crap about CHS getting the spices made by Marion Kay as LONG as CHS was Living. Once CHS passed away the New Age Corporation had leverage and Franchise Agreements on there side and NO opposition from the ONE MAN CHS who could say they were NOT honoring the ORIGINAL sale contract.
KFC NEW AGE CORPORATION then settled OUT of court with Marion Kay and Pat’s Chicken in England to NOT make the Original 11 Spices and Herbs. They were forces to ONLY use 5 spices plus Salt, Pepper, MSG which was established in a 1966 Court case against Famous Chicken.
This is Just the quick story there is MUCH MORE involved that ONLY a handful of people Know the Current Owners of KFC Yum’s Brand Don’t have a clue because they were NOT involved in the Canada time with CHS. KFC NEW AGE only says 1 story they have the ORIGINAL recipe and Vials. GUESS what so Do the Canadians and England. There are from what I have found 20 different Families who have the Original Recipe. Peter H Family, Brown & Massey Families, 3 of CHS remaining Family who worked with CHS in the original day, Carl in England. Two Families in Montana. There are 7 copies in Canada. Plus Durkee’s, 4 other spice makers, Marion Kay and Winston Group are example’s.
Focus on 1930 Spices and Regional availability for spices and it will Narrow down the monkey’s uncle of BS. Throw out the 26 OZ Bag weight its NOT from the Original 1930’s Time period. There is more info but no time to write.
Please aske your questions
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Post by flg on Jan 23, 2022 0:46:30 GMT 1
Oldest tin I can find the ingredients on seems to be from the 50's
Durkee Poultry Seasoning 1950's:
Marjoram
Salt
Onion Powder
Celery Seed
Pepper
Sage
Savory
Thyme
Durkee Poultry Seasoning 1970's:
Salt
Marjoram
Dehydrated Onion
Celery Seed
Black Pepper
Thyme
Sage
Savory
Durkee Poultry Seasoning 2021:
Sage
Black Pepper
Thyme
Coriander
Summery Savory
Allspice
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jan 23, 2022 4:43:13 GMT 1
I have 1930 Durkee's Tins and the ingredients which I will list when I have time.
Durkee's was a VERY Pure spice in the 1930's
the Poultry seasoning was very pinnacle in many recipes of the Day. Durkee's also printed recipes and had a flyer which they circulated for spice use in the 1930's
Just because the Item does NOT match anything your perceive as the Sexton or other were used ONE needs to see possibilities of the items and the use in the Day.
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Post by flg on Jan 23, 2022 15:48:22 GMT 1
I have 1930 Durkee's Tins and the ingredients which I will list when I have time. Durkee's was a VERY Pure spice in the 1930's the Poultry seasoning was very pinnacle in many recipes of the Day. Durkee's also printed recipes and had a flyer which they circulated for spice use in the 1930's Just because the Item does NOT match anything your perceive as the Sexton or other were used ONE needs to see possibilities of the items and the use in the Day. Looking forward to it. The only 1930's tins I found don't show ingredients. Mostly photos of the front of the tin. |
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Post by flg on Jan 24, 2022 14:29:09 GMT 1
Since we are talking spice. deepfriednew101 I thought you'd find this interesting since it contains dehydrated vegetables. Interesting it contains orange peel (silver). I never noticed until this morning the weight (LOL). Ran into it on the shelf and had to grab it.  |
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