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Post by Silver on Mar 2, 2022 13:05:52 GMT 1
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 2, 2022 17:05:02 GMT 1
its as unique as Tellicherry Pepper and Saigon Cinnamon, or Jamaican Ginger
They are a slight different then the other Qualities of Spices.
I know that Bill S from Marion Kay was very specific with the Brands and made the Comment that there was NOT enough Tellicherry Place Pepper for KFC Corporation and that the Larger Peppercorns carried more Oil which helped with the increased Aroma and Flavor.
Is there a Big Difference BY ONLY using the BEST SPICES or CERTAIN Brands ETC. its each to there own preference.
JUST AS A SIDE NOTE in CANADA currently March 1, 2022 OUR major Spice Importers are having major issue with Getting Spices and cannot even supply some of the required amount to General Mills, and McCain there Major Customer
They have Bumped many customers because they cannot get supplies. They have sourced other supplies of Spices and when they did quality control SOME FAILED QU inspection for Cambell, Kraft, and McCains
So Whats THAT tell you if QU failed with a Spice change it must have been just a BAD DAY BLENDING not the Quality of Spices they GOT IN.
HEY but I'm Certain YOU have not noticed that MAJOR PROCESSORS are coming out with NEW FLAVORS AND NEW ITEMS WITH A TWIST TO THE RECIPE
ITS BECAUSE THEY CANNOT GET THE ORIGINAL ITEMS AND ARE SAVING WHAT THEY HAVE OF THE ORIINAL SPICES TO GET over the HUMP of supply issue
I only order 1000Lbs of Spices a month and are CHICKEN crap compared to other customers BUT the QUALITY is CRAP NOW.
So I Say Chilli you say Chili. The only thing that matters is cooking Great Chicken.
Add More spice because of Bad Quality BUT DON"T GO OVER 260z that might be WRONG.
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Post by Silver on Mar 2, 2022 19:03:43 GMT 1
So what was the secret ingredient that can only be found within Chili Powder that is spelled Chilli Powder? And does this mean that Chili (or Chilli) Powder is 100% in the original recipe?
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Post by flg on Mar 4, 2022 1:55:27 GMT 1
Not a radical thought. But when CHS was playing around with his OR. What would his base flour amount have been? 2 cups?
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Post by Silver on Mar 4, 2022 2:06:41 GMT 1
Not a radical thought. But when CHS was playing around with his OR. What would his base flour amount have been? 2 cups? Good question! To which I have no answer. Another question: Was he working with weights or volumes? It is easy to show that weight measure has all of the advantages and none of the disadvantages of Volume measure.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 4, 2022 8:47:51 GMT 1
As explained from CHS and Claudia while they were in Canada and on locations and in Alberta they Both indicated CHS used 1 Lbs. being 3 1/2 Cups of Flour when he was mixing and test the Original Chicken in 1937 -1938 Time period before he came up with the 11 Spices and Herbs.
Both CHS and Claudia represented CHS kept adding Spices he liked to the First fried chicken which was Just 2 Items Salt & Pepper.
CHS said he uses 3.5 Cups as it was enough Flour to coat the Chicken he was cooking and the remaining flour was used for the Rue for Gravy.
After CHS had developed the 11 Herbs and Spices and was Making continual Chicken which people were Loving he used 10 Lbs. of Flour. Understand there were NO commercial Sifters back in that Day and Only little Hand Sifters with a hand crank which only Sifted 2 Cups of flour in the hand held sifter.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 4, 2022 8:51:13 GMT 1
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Post by flg on Mar 4, 2022 14:22:22 GMT 1
Not a radical thought. But when CHS was playing around with his OR. What would his base flour amount have been? 2 cups? Good question! To which I have no answer. Another question: Was he working with weights or volumes? It is easy to show that weight measure has all of the advantages and none of the disadvantages of Volume measure.
I want to believe that back in development it would have been volume measures. Most likely Pete helped in the transition to weights. That's why I try to work recipes back to "reasonable" volume measurements. And as well stated it's not accurate. But I think they should be reasonably close. Is 0.5g of X ground spice close to 1/2 US teaspoon. If so, might be a good number.
So why did I ask volume of flour. If he worked in volumes, and he used 1 full US teaspoon of a herb in that flour (3.5 cups). Then I can work backwards from that ratio to something fitting in the 200g recipes we build. Again it is a reasonability test not a scientific measurement activity.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Mar 4, 2022 16:14:03 GMT 1
CHS SAID THIS AND VERY LOUD HE SAID it
HE PERSONALLY TAUGHT me the teaspoons fit into the Spice tins and the lid of the Spice Tin levels the spice on the spoon when you gently Tilt the Tin and slowly remove the teas[poon from the spice tin and you get uniform equal measurements. When you needed More volume of spice you poured it out into the Tablespoon
I was shown that The SALT AND PEPPER WERE measure WITH the TABLESPOON as those TWO needed Typically the MOST Volume in recipes ALSO sugar.
CHS said as I GOT more experienced I could JUST pour some into the Palm of the Hand and know how much was what was needed BUT it comes with experience. BUT always pour it into your hand first NOT the Hot into over HOT steaming Pots or Frying Pans as the steam makes the Spices stick together and clump from moisture.
My Job was to sift the Cups of Flour and peel Potato's. for the Mission cooking.
CHS gave more then ONE person a word Word-smithing or cuss when they measured the spices with the Tablespoons. You use a TEASPOON Don't you know was his Famous words, or he Tapped his Cane to the Floor.
CHS WAS a SMART MAN knew how to work a crowd. He said he had learned more Michelin star cooks how to cook chicken then the culinary schools in his lifetime. when he trained personally over 1000 restaurant's how to make the chicken in the beginning.
When I Met Dave Thomas YEARS after CHS passed away He said that CHS was intelligent BUT screwed up more chicken then anyone because CHS tried to do to many things at one time. BUT CHS could convince EVERYONE it WAS ALWAYS THE BEST HE EVER MADE but knew it was not perfect. BUT KNEW if he could tell the people how much attention to detail went into making the food and care and effort it convinced them it was GREAT.
Dave was the one who educated me that the Powder Egg and Milk change forced by regulations was a major hurdle in the taste change that Brown and Massey faced and that the Spice and Herbs kept changing Due to spice and herb changes and shortage.
Dave and CHS had many CLASHES Dave said
CLAUDIA was the ONE who ALWAYS SAID this she used PORTION CUPS specifically for the type of spice to make the spice mix before she bagged then spice and shipped it on the TRAIN.
PORTION CUPS which were SOMETIMES OLD CANS from CANNED GOODS as they were the correct size then they had to use Measure Cups with Handles as more staff and regulations came into Food industry.
I HAD Personal Time and many experiences with BOTH CHS and Claudia, in the Kitchen as a gopher helping. That was the LUCK of having CHS and Claudia living in Canada
In the Next Day I will post a question for people to answer on aa new Thread - it will help with ONE major misconception that has hindered some Spice and Herb understanding with CHS and making the Chicken BUT I want to write the story and find the information before I try and explain it and cause 1000 questions.
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Post by flg on Mar 5, 2022 20:27:47 GMT 1
Over the last few weeks I have been leaning more towards the recipe being B&W Pepper plus 9 ingredients. I have myself and I seen others count B&W Pepper as 1 ingredient. I'm starting to think more that isn't the case
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