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Post by Silver on Nov 11, 2021 17:12:54 GMT 1
The highest I've cooked with MSG is 15 grams in 200 grams of flour, and since it tastes better to me at that level than any lesser level I've tried, I've stuck with 15 grams in 200 grams. But it may well be the case that if I ever tried 20 grams in 200 grams that would become my new standard. Unless I try it on a known recipe (like my #4) I'll never know if it is better, or the same, or worse. And after that, 25 grams, etc...
All I can say is that 15 grams of MSG into 200 grams of flour brings out more flavor and 'note' than does 10 grams (and less...). I can't ever imagine going back to ballpark 3 grams of MSG (without boosting it with I+G).
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Post by flg on Nov 11, 2021 17:32:06 GMT 1
According to the can 2.5 Tablespoons into 25lbs of flour would be around 60g of MSG to 25LBS of flour?
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Nov 11, 2021 17:34:07 GMT 1
if you go to 20 grams you will be doing ok and you might top out at 25 or 30gram of MSG but just try steps.
read the advertisement it says the MSG gives NO flavor of its own only make the natural flavors better
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Post by flg on Nov 11, 2021 17:43:14 GMT 1
Maybe the thing to think about. If at some point in time. 2.5lb bags where made up from MSG. What was done with those bags? Meaning if they were used to add to the 11 of the OR. What may have been the weight of those. 2.5lbs added to XX pounds of H&S. Assuming even if it was volume measure used to create the 11 as Deepfried101 maintains. When ready to package up, most likely it then became a measured weight. (2.5lBs MSG + xLBS of spice mix) =yLB package sent out to the franchises. x or y solves the ratio issue.
I'd think standard bag sizes so up-to 5lbs. or 8-10lb. But of course it could be that the 2.5lbs was mixed into 20 or 25lb batches that were then proportioned out into smaller quantities. Either way we need one more number
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Post by Silver on Nov 11, 2021 17:58:59 GMT 1
if you go to 20 grams you will be doing ok and you might top out at 25 or 30gram of MSG but just try steps. read the advertisement it says the MSG gives NO flavor of its own only make the natural flavors better I've often read as to where MSG has no flavor of it's own, but in tasting it 'straight up' I can attest that it has a rather pronounced flavor of it's own. But as I stated earlier, it is a nice flavor. Glutamate is a sugar, and the weight of the Glutamate Anion dwarfs that of the Sodium Cation within the molecule, so although the Sodium ion tastes salty, the taste is sort of like mixing a little salt into a greater quantity of sugar. But even that flavor description is mistaken, as the flavor of MSG is called Umami, and it is known to be unique. |
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Nov 11, 2021 18:12:01 GMT 1
I should elaborate more for understanding
The MSG was placed into bags 2.5Lbs and it was more so many portion cups = 2.5Lbs into the bags.
5 1/2lbs portion cups were scooped from the Barrel into the Bags. occasionally one would weight the bags to see if the Bags, weighted 2.5Lbs BUT it did not take a ROCKET scientist to figure out. if you had only used 39 bags that the weight was out. If you only use 39 Bags it was
The MSG was placed in Bags for 2 reasons
1) easy to measure when mixed into other Items. Portion Control bags were easy to ,ix and you did not have to break up lumps of MSG, you just squeezed the bag a
few times to many sure there were no lumps and it was good to Go.
2) Humidity/Moisture and MGS when the Barrels were Open became a issue and Clumping the MSG if NOT used quick enough the Bottom became more clumps and a Pain in
the Ass, so the MSG was Bagged and tied placed into other containers and Sealed ONLY open when needed. easy to use.
3) 4 or 5 Large Lug plastic Tote were loaded with the Bags of MSG and stacked
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Nov 11, 2021 18:14:34 GMT 1
I need to clarify when I bagged the MSG we Did not use Disodium Inosinate, Disodium Guanylate it was 100% MSG ONLY in the 2.5Lbs Bags
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Post by Silver on Nov 11, 2021 18:15:24 GMT 1
Sodium is roughly between 1/7th and 1/8th of the mass of the overall Sodium Glutamate (MSG) molecule.
Sodium is roughly 3/7th of the mass of the Sodium Chloride (Salt) molecule.
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Post by Silver on Nov 11, 2021 18:20:20 GMT 1
A teaspoon of MSG weighs about 4.3 to 4.5 grams. There are 3 teaspoons in a tablespoon. Metric teaspoons and tablespoons are about 5.7% greater in delivering volume than are current USA (and circa 1955 Canada, I presume) teaspoons and tablespoons.
~4.3 grams for USA teaspoons, and ~4.5 grams for Metric teaspoons.
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Post by Silver on Nov 11, 2021 18:39:23 GMT 1
Splitting the difference between 4.3 and 4.4 grams per teaspoon brings us to a 'nominal' 4.4 grams.
3 Tsp/Tbsp x 2.5 Tbsp x 4.4 g./Tsp = 33 grams
130 grams = 1 'nominal' cup of flour (~ splitting the difference between USA and Metric cups of All Purpose White Flour)
200 g./130 g. x 33 grams = 50.77 grams of MSG in 2.5 tablespoons which split the difference between USA and Metric. The video does not specify which tablespoons are being used.
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